Chris Christie slams NRA’s Obama daughters ad

Chris Christie chimed in on the NRA's ad that suggested that Obama is a hypocrite being against guns while his family (daughters here) has armed guards

CC tells it like he sees it - much to the chagrin of many of his fellow Republicans

The NRA is not very media savvy are they

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New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie blasted the National Rifle Association for an ad that pointed out President Barack Obama’s daughters have armed protection, calling it “reprehensible” and saying elected officials’ kids should be off-limits.

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“Don’t be dragging people’s children into this,” he said. “It’s wrong and I think it demeans them and it makes them less of a valid trusted source of information on the real issues that confront this debate.”

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http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...-ad-86365.html

Christie seems to be one of the few Republicans with his fingers on the Nation's pulse. Like him more every time he speaks.

He should become a Dem or an Independent---like so many other east coast GOP---it's hopeless and has been for a long time if you have any common sense to run nationwide---you can be fiscally conservative and be for human rights and common sense and be a dem or independent--otherwise--he'll go the way of another east coast Italian Gulliani-- if he runs for pres as part of the moron GOP---I mean if he doesn't change parties before he runs for pres---Christie will miss out on campaigning in the south and eating fried butter on a stick:lol:

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Originally Posted by chance1

Chris Christie chimed in on the NRA's ad that suggested that Obama is a hypocrite being against guns while his family (daughters here) has armed guards

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CC tells it like he sees it - much to the chagrin of many of his fellow any current Republican

There... fixed it. ;)

As well he should slam it. The NRA isn't doing any favors for themselves by airing ads like this.

The NRA is completely out of touch with the mainstream. Their PR is in shambles, catering to only the lowest common denominator. Should the NRA get out of the back pocket of the gun manufacturers and stop being their defacto lobbyists in Washington, they might have a little more legitimacy with the gun control advocates. Until they do, just follow the money. What can be said by a lobby that spends millions of dollars to lobby its opinion. It is not about the right to own a gun but a tradition of allowing a morally corrupt organization like the NRA to spread its influence on politics. Thinly disguised as some constitutional right organization, it supports the agenda of greedy weapons manufacturers, while enlisting the support of gullible and reactionary hunters and gun enthusiasts to help lobby their point.

CC is right.

Until I see him support marriage equality, all he says to me is just giving political blowjobs so that he can cement his 2016 candidacy. Empty words. He can act as moderate as he wants, but his only act as far as the gay community is concerned, is his veto on marriage equality. So he can frankly go fuck himself with all his sudden post-November 6 disagreement with the GOP.

The NRA will rely on whatever dirt they can when they are grabbing on straws. They are an organization that is crumbling, regardless of claims that they are gaining new members. More and more of the public is turning against them and their suggestions of having arm guards at schools is nothing less than a police state. I don't understand how an organization that professes "freedom" so greatly is now advocating a police state. And having idiots with two weeks training and a conceal permit won't solve a thing.

The real hypocrisy is within the NRA. And yes, they are extremely morally corrupt and have no concept of what is going on. More guns isn't the solution.

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Until I see him support marriage equality, all he says to me is just giving political blowjobs so that he can cement his 2016 candidacy. Empty words. He can act as moderate as he wants, but his only act as far as the gay community is concerned, is his veto on marriage equality. So he can frankly go fuck himself with all his sudden post-November 6 disagreement with the GOP.

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how nuanced ;)

and your "sudden" depiction is just not accurate - CC was and is a moderate thinker/politician - it's the reason why he got elected in NJ which is a heavily democratic state

keeping up with issues outside of stances on gay marriage would be a good first step towards understanding the world better and being able to capably comment

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Until I see him support marriage equality, all he says to me is just giving political blowjobs so that he can cement his 2016 candidacy. Empty words. He can act as moderate as he wants, but his only act as far as the gay community is concerned, is his veto on marriage equality. So he can frankly go fuck himself with all his sudden post-November 6 disagreement with the GOP.

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Well said; and understood. But I cannot fault him for deferring to a popular referendum.

Legislative fiat establishing marriage equality in Maine was easily overturned by the voters. The next time it came up -- by citizen initative -- it passed comfortably. Perhaps Christie's thinking is similar.

I would rather the voters endorse such a measure.

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Originally Posted by palbert

Well said; and understood. But I cannot fault him for deferring to a popular referendum.

Legislative fiat establishing marriage equality in Maine was easily overturned by the voters. The next time it came up -- by citizen initative -- it passed comfortably. Perhaps Christie's thinking is similar.

I would rather the voters endorse such a measure.

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LOL - except this is about CC's comments about the NRA, gun control, etc.

not about gay marriage

so off topic much ??

Yup poster up above said it very well.

NRA is just a paid shill for gun manufacturers, nothing more, nothing less.

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Originally Posted by chance1

LOL - except this is about CC's comments about the NRA, gun control, etc.

not about gay marriage

so off topic much ??

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Not titled ON-TOPIC. (A frequent oversight.)

^ LOL - I sorta have expectations that posters will use their good judgement - too much to ask ? ;)

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Originally Posted by palbert

Well said; and understood. But I cannot fault him for deferring to a popular referendum.

Legislative fiat establishing marriage equality in Maine was easily overturned by the voters. The next time it came up -- by citizen initative -- it passed comfortably. Perhaps Christie's thinking is similar.

I would rather the voters endorse such a measure.

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Gay marriage should not be a popular vote issue. If the people are behind it - all the better. If they're not - tough luck, we need to try and get it to work regardless. But to deffer to the people as a default setting of passing marriage equality, is a cynical and unacceptable decision, because it says our rights aren't really inherent, they're the matter of how popular we are.

As for the topic - CC is a cunning politician with his finger on the pulse of the moment. Which is great for him, and I imagine he could even be a good president, who knows? But to me, his only action that concerns me has been harmful, so until he remedies that, all else is really quite meaningless. It's not that I don't care about it, it's just that - as has been established multiple times on here - to me gay rights trump all else when I am judging a politician.

OFF-TOPIC: Self-restraint is.

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

all he says to me is just giving political blowjobs so that he can cement his 2016 candidacy.

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Yep, that's what it's all about. I certainly wouldn't vote for him, and would be embarrassed to see someone like him represent the country. He's ghetto trash from New Jersey. He should be a castmember on Jersey Shore.

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Originally Posted by JustMe5

Yep, that's what it's all about. I certainly wouldn't vote for him, and would be embarrassed to see someone like him represent the country. He's ghetto trash from New Jersey. He should be a castmember on Jersey Shore.

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"ghetto trash" ?

what the fuck does that mean ?

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Originally Posted by chance1

"ghetto trash" ?

what the fuck does that mean ?

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Yeah, what Chance said. Christie grew up in Livingston, NJ, an upscale town. He's suburban trash. ;)

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Gay marriage should not be a popular vote issue. If the people are behind it - all the better. If they're not - tough luck, we need to try and get it to work regardless. But to deffer to the people as a default setting of passing marriage equality, is a cynical and unacceptable decision, because it says our rights aren't really inherent, they're the matter of how popular we are. ....

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An admirable philosophical position, but somewhat at odds with political reality.

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Originally Posted by CowboyBob

As well he should slam it. The NRA isn't doing any favors for themselves by airing ads like this.

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Membership is up a quarter million in the last month, so they aren't doing too bad for themselves.

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Originally Posted by nycguydowntown

he'll go the way of another east coast Italian Gulliani

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Christie is only half Italian. His mother is Sicilian. However, his father is of Scottish descent. I imagine if the press got a picture of Christie on the beach in his bathing suit, he'd probably look like the Scottish character "Fat Bastard" from the Austin Powers movies.

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Originally Posted by palbert

An admirable philosophical position, but somewhat at odds with political reality.

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Not really. Of the nine states with marriage equality, how many of them depended on the popular vote to put it there?

Probably all 9 given that citizen iniatives never materialized or failed, or the Courts circumvented those processes.

"Probably" is great, but in the end, those were legislative or court decisions, except for Maine, and EVEN there the popular vote only overturned a previous overturning of a legally passed law. Christie denied New Jersey the right to show where it stands. In the end, we don't even know whether NJ was behind this legislation, or not.

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Originally Posted by crimsonpaine

Membership is up a quarter million in the last month, so they aren't doing too bad for themselves.

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That's what they claim but I don't buy it. They've been very aggressive in their recruitment. They even sent me a large envelope with a bunch of scare tactic form letters using the re-election of the President as the fear factor. They included a fancy plastic embossed with my name membership card so officially I'm a member of the NRA even tho I didn't join.

The letter from old Wayne states, "...after the recent elections, freedom's enemies are on the march. They've vowed to fight on and won't surrender until they've banned and confiscated our guns......You are under attack by the UN, anti-hunting extremists, radical billionaires and the freedom-hating Hollywood elite."

A load of crap. If they are claiming their membership increased by a quarter million in one month, it's because they're sending out these "temporary memberships" to anyone on their mailing list.

And I got this before the horrors of new Newtown massacre of children.

Don't buy into this right wing propaganda.

^ right wing propaganda ? it's being reported on left wing cable networks - see msnbc as an example

the reason IMO is that the left wing loons instead of staying with the facts

instead demonizes gun owners - publishing the name of gun owners in westchester is an example

there's no need to point a finger at gun owners - there's a need to create stricter standards, reduce bigger clips and auto weapons

the reality is this is a winning argument and much better w/o the usual progressive bullshit

but when the president as the standard bearer buys into the concept it's hard to stop

Sorry chance, but Christie needs to abandon ship. The republican party is sinking. Moderate republicans have been leaving the party in droves... especially after the republicans have showed a refusal to change. On that token, I'll take a democrat any day over Christie. I don't care if Christie is a "so called moderate" on some issues. He's not a moderate enough for me. And he's still part of the republican party and that's another red flag. I'm sure if a more inspiring democrat comes around in New Jersey he would be voted in. And not to pick on the man, but I'd rather see this country represented by someone who isn't at risk for heart attack.

The Presidency is a tough job with a great deal of stress. I don't think he is in that good of health.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-liver-disease

This is from a while back. Chris Christie needs to be in optimal health if he were to fulfill the duties of President. Obama for example is in excellent health and kicked his cigarette habit several years ago.

I don't like going down this road... but if he were to want to run for office he seriously needs to get into shape. I'm sure Drew Carey could give him some tips... considering they share many political viewpoints.

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Originally Posted by CowboyBob

That's what they claim but I don't buy it. They've been very aggressive in their recruitment. They even sent me a large envelope with a bunch of scare tactic form letters using the re-election of the President as the fear factor. They included a fancy plastic embossed with my name membership card so officially I'm a member of the NRA even tho I didn't join.

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They are most certainly distorting their numbers. The public opinion has strongly shifted against the NRA and the pro-gun lobby. This is just the reality. They know public opinion has shifted against them. They probably attracted a few more right wing nutters and that is that. It's not going to change the ultimate direction of this country... where stricter regulations are in place.

And it doesn't matter if it's being reported on MSNBC. MSNBC was reporting that the NRA made the claim. Still doesn't make it true.

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Sorry chance, but Christie needs to abandon ship. The republican party is sinking. Moderate republicans have been leaving the party in droves... especially after the republicans have showed a refusal to change. On that token, I'll take a democrat any day over Christie. I don't care if Christie is a "so called moderate" on some issues. He's not a moderate enough for me. And he's still part of the republican party and that's another red flag. I'm sure if a more inspiring democrat comes around in New Jersey he would be voted in. And not to pick on the man, but I'd rather see this country represented by someone who isn't at risk for heart attack.

The Presidency is a tough job with a great deal of stress. I don't think he is in that good of health.

http://articles.washingtonpost.com/2...-liver-disease

This is from a while back. Chris Christie needs to be in optimal health if he were to fulfill the duties of President. Obama for example is in excellent health and kicked his cigarette habit several years ago.

I don't like going down this road... but if he were to want to run for office he seriously needs to get into shape. I'm sure Drew Carey could give him some tips... considering they share many political viewpoints.

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another silly thought that the only good politician is a democratic one

so dumb

and who has been leaving in droves ?

christie has credibility - and his position here - whether u agree or not - is something u want from a politician - a real life opinion and not afraid to say it

i admire that in him - don't always agree with him - but we'd be much better off with MORE of him than less

probably hard to have MORE of him - he might burst ;)

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

They are most certainly distorting their numbers. The public opinion has strongly shifted against the NRA and the pro-gun lobby. This is just the reality. They know public opinion has shifted against them. They probably attracted a few more right wing nutters and that is that. It's not going to change the ultimate direction of this country... where stricter regulations are in place.

And it doesn't matter if it's being reported on MSNBC. MSNBC was reporting that the NRA made the claim. Still doesn't make it true.

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i'm sure that reported gun sales going up up up - again reported by all the main stream media

is all lies - propoganda

the only truth is the truth i believe in - a progressive's mantra

LOL

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Originally Posted by chance1

i'm sure that reported gun sales going up up up - again reported by all the main stream media

is all lies - propoganda

the only truth is the truth i believe in - a progressive's mantra

LOL

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So gun nuts who were already gun nuts before the shootings and the possibility of regulations ran out and bought more guns.

So?

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Originally Posted by chance1

another silly thought that the only good politician is a democratic one

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No... I think Theodore Roosevelt was the last great republican president. That was 100 years ago... but still I'm willing to give some credit. And despite suspending Habeas Corpus, Lincoln was great too.

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and who has been leaving in droves ?

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After the 2012 Election, republican party membership is in the toilet. The number has fallen below 1/3rd from what I have heard.

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christie has credibility - and his position here - whether u agree or not - is something u want from a politician - a real life opinion and not afraid to say it

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While he was correct here, he has made other viewpoints that are just not moderate or acceptable in my book.

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i admire that in him - don't always agree with him - but we'd be much better off with MORE of him than less

probably hard to have MORE of him - he might burst ;)

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I can respect him for certain issues, but there are better prospects for the Presidency out there. And plus, his health will still be an issue... he might want to work on it if he were to decide to run for Presidency.

And I thought I was being ignored? ;)

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Originally Posted by chance1

i'm sure that reported gun sales going up up up - again reported by all the main stream media

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Just a few nutters buying a ton of guns doesn't mean overall public opinion is going in that direction.

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As President Obama tries to persuade a reluctant Congress to pass new gun laws, the poll found that a majority of Americans - 54 percent - think gun-control laws should be tightened, up markedly from a CBS News poll in April that found that only 39 percent backed stricter laws.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/nation/article...#ixzz2ITCVaXS5

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Here is a recent poll regarding gun control... sorry if it is from a communist source. Accept my apologies in advanced lol.

I am discussing overall public opinion... and before anyone trashes polls... please. Lets not go down that road again. Polls are very accurate and pollsters have proven themselves in the last couple of months lol.

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the only truth is the truth i believe in - a progressive's mantra

LOL

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A majority of american people agree with me. So I guess a majority of the American people are becoming progressive? Dark times for the republicans on here lol.

Edit: More polls and sources if the communist source I provided isn't accepted:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/756820.shtml 53-41% in favor.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-announcement/ -55-44% in favor of gun control. Obama also maintains a similar 55% approval rating, and your friend Joe Biden has an even higher approval rating of 59%.

Additional more specific poll on specific questions:

http://americablog.com/2013/01/poll-...n-control.html - A huge majority of Americans support a ban on assault rifles at 74%-26%. A ban on high capacity clips was favored by 74% also. An astounding 86% support tougher background checks.

The American people are voicing these viewpoints. It's main stream. It's time for a change.

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Originally Posted by chance1

another silly thought that the only good politician is a democratic one

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Republican Presidents?... let's take a look at them starting with the most recent since WWII:

George W Bush: do I really need to go into that?

George HW Bush: Gulf War, "Read my Lips, no new taxes", one term

Ronald Reagan: Iran Contra, James Watt, ignored AIDS, quadruptled the debt, scandal-ridden Presidency.....read all about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reagan_...ation_scandals

Gerald Ford :I'm a Ford, Not a Lincoln. Appointed by Nixon, not elected, worthless.

Richard Nixon: Watergate, resigned in shame ... need I say more?

Dwight D Eisenhower: Turned away while organized crime grew, 91% tax rate on wealthy (but thats something good), Ignored the communist witch hunt brought on by yet another Republican, McCarthy.

Yep, really great Presidents those Republicans make.

We can't afford another republican in the White House.

^ Bob - i was responding to GC who said Christie has to change parties - as if his opinions would only be valid IF he was a democrat

in the same post he explains why he doesn't care for him

Nixon was a great President save for Watergate
Reagan changed the world - for the better
Gerald Ford ...... his wife started the Betty Ford clinic ;)
Bush Senior was not a bad President

not sure why u listed Presidents many of whom did good or great jobs

a moderate President would get a lot more done Bob - Pres. Obama seems interested only in stamping his feet until he gets his way

and that filters down to his peeps - reid and pelosi - and they follow suit

disfunction follows

christie HAS shown an ability to govern a dem controlled state - get dem support - and make decisions - not just speeches

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Originally Posted by chance1

^ Bob - i was responding to GC who said Christie has to change parties - as if his opinions would only be valid IF he was a democrat

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I never said his opinions weren't valid. I give him credit on various issues, but he is still isn't a moderate to me.

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Nixon was a great President save for Watergate

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Nixon was a mess. And the country's economy wasn't in that great of shape when he left. This nation was left in disarray after the Vietnam war.

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Reagan changed the world - for the better

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Reagan left this country in a massive deficit, and he didn't arguably change the world. Gorbachev would probably take more credit for that because he put his neck out in the line. Reagan was one of the worst presidents domestically since Warren Harding and Herbert Hoover. While he may have had one or two foreign policy achievements, he was a war criminal. His administration was full of criminals who were either indicted or convicted of committing crimes. And his economic record is often distorted... republicans like to say he caused an economic boom.

The entire economic boom of the 1980s was built on a house of cards and complete outright lies. And the gay community was subjected to outright neglect during his administration. It's too bad he wasn't fit to stand trial. In any other country he would have... even Italy finally convicted Berlusconi. This country... :##:

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Bush Senior was not a bad President

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Read my lips... well we all know how it goes.

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a moderate President would get a lot more done Bob - Pres. Obama seems interested only in stamping his feet until he gets his way

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Like Obama who is a moderate President?

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christie HAS shown an ability to govern a dem controlled state - get dem support - and make decisions - not just speeches

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Christie hasn't shown anything on the national scale. And Mitt Romney once governed a dem controlled state... didn't seem to help him. Obama has done real reforms to this country... and he's made real changes... this isn't fantasy.

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Originally Posted by chance1

^a moderate President would get a lot more done Bob - Pres. Obama seems interested only in stamping his feet until he gets his way

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Even in a completely alternate universe where this remotely reflects the reality of what's going on...

welcome to Bush's 8 years. How do you like it?

Chance - I imagine you keep your drapes closed. Good thing.

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Originally Posted by palbert

Chance - I imagine you keep your drapes closed. Good thing.

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drapes ? i'm on the 18th floor - no drapes baby - just a view of the triboro (now RFK) bridge and the UES

full disclosure :)

Yeah, wasn't Bush "moderate" enough for this century?

BUsh,the president who came up with the idea to write discrimination against gays & lesbians into the Constitution.

No, but that doesn't count, because of reasons!

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Until I see him support marriage equality, all he says to me is just giving political blowjobs so that he can cement his 2016 candidacy. Empty words.

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By that logic, how would we know that his support for marriage equality wouldn't also just be an empty "political blowjob"?

Oh, it would be, but it would matter the same as Obama's politically driven support has.

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Originally Posted by MVincent

By that logic, how would we know that his support for marriage equality wouldn't also just be an empty "political blowjob"?

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Obama's support has had a serious impact on public opinion... that is my belief. It's a reason why we had same sex marriage legalized in three states in the last election... well at least a significant reason. Would why it be an empty "political blowjob"? He's going to start his second term and he can pursue it without having to worry about re-election.

^ LOL - obama speaks and people change their minds

OBAMALLEGIANCE to the nth degree

thanks for exposing such a nonsensical POV

I guess Obama is just like Jesus

Jesus ;)

And yet we have more insults... it isn't "Obamallegiance". It's called thinking independently and with the facts. There is nothing nonsensical about my POV. Get a grip. Elected leaders will have an impact on the minds of constituents, one way or another. We see how republicans have fucked that up royally, and Obama took public opinion and shaped it. This isn't about raising someone to jesus or some BS nonsensical views. This is about reality!

Cut the bullying please.

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Originally Posted by chance1

^ LOL - obama speaks and people change their minds

OBAMALLEGIANCE to the nth degree

thanks for exposing such a nonsensical POV

I guess Obama is just like Jesus

Jesus ;)

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He did the thing you blast him in any other topic for "failing to do."

He led.

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Originally Posted by chance1

^ LOL - obama speaks and people change their minds

OBAMALLEGIANCE to the nth degree

thanks for exposing such a nonsensical POV

I guess Obama is just like Jesus

Jesus ;)

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The President speaks, and people listen. The President. Coulda been your guy, but he chose to run on bigotry instead. Don't blame Obama because none of the previous guys had the guts to support marriage equality.

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Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

He did the thing you blast him in any other topic for "failing to do."

He led.

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Haha, but but but no! Because of REASONS that simply doesn't count! *stomps foot*