Not Born This Way

Oh that Florida Family Association....




http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/0...=Entertainment

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Florida Family Association would like to fly more banners to counter Gaga’s hedonistic, Godless message at more concerts. You can click here to see the schedule Ladygaga.com... The goal is not to fly banners at every concert but at enough concerts to make a difference.

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uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh....what difference?

They just wasted $1900 bucks.

Anita Bryant probably flies as a hobby in her retirement.

I assume they are talking about themselves...no one was born with all that hate. They had to learn that.

Those Madonna stans will stop at nothing, smh.

.wow.

They REALLY need to get a life. :dead: :##:

Lol at their attempt.

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Originally Posted by eastofeden

I assume they are talking about themselves...no one was born with all that hate. They had to learn that.

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Quoted just because it needs to be repeated in case someone missed it the first time.

Guys! Great news! My husband and I were at a Lady Gaga concert and we were talking about how we wished we were not born gay. Then, and you won't believe this, a plane flies over the stadium saying "Not born this way". And then we realized it, neither of us is gay at all! We just thought we were because of a song that came out four years into our relationship! That plane really made a signicant difference. Thank you you Florida Family Association!

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Originally Posted by CupidBoy

Those Madonna stans will stop at nothing, smh.

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Madonna has stans?

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Originally Posted by Stoowii

Madonna has stans?

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Oop.

Yep, a waste of money. 'NOT BORN THIS WAY' trailing a plane, so yeah, message understood, we don't have wings.

"Not born this way"? So...you had to learn how to be straight? Interesting.

Lex

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Originally Posted by eastofeden

I assume they are talking about themselves...no one was born with all that hate. They had to learn that.

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It's easy to hate. Because all you need to do is ignore reality. To love and accepting is harder if all you don't accept life for all it offers. :)

I would have been more impressed if they had done it in skywriting instead of a banner.

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Originally Posted by Stoowii

Madonna has stans?

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She is an old Eminem fan ;)

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Originally Posted by eastofeden

I assume they are talking about themselves...no one was born with all that hate. They had to learn that.

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That was my thought exactly. When I first saw the flag I thought ... "a racist? A homophobe?"

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Originally Posted by Hard-up1

Anita Bryant probably flies as a hobby in her retirement.

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:badgrin: Ha ha! Good one!

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Originally Posted by youngoutlaw

I would have been more impressed if they had done it in skywriting instead of a banner.

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The last two times we've been at Disney World, they've had skywriters putting conservative messages up in the sky. I don't recall exactly, but I think they were all supposed to be anti-abortion messages. (Why this is a message to put above Disney World is an open question.) But due to the air currents or winds or whatnot, they had real trouble getting that message up there. They maybe could get ten letters made before the first one would start breaking apart and become unreadable. So I have a few photos of skywriting saying things like "(something) WITH LIFE" and "(something) A CHILD". I'm assuming the messages were lost on everybody.

Lex

Who's "Dorothy"?

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Originally Posted by G-Lexington

The last two times we've been at Disney World, they've had skywriters putting conservative messages up in the sky. I don't recall exactly, but I think they were all supposed to be anti-abortion messages. (Why this is a message to put above Disney World is an open question.) But due to the air currents or winds or whatnot, they had real trouble getting that message up there. They maybe could get ten letters made before the first one would start breaking apart and become unreadable. So I have a few photos of skywriting saying things like "(something) WITH LIFE" and "(something) A CHILD". I'm assuming the messages were lost on everybody.

Lex

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If they had real balls they'd skydive without a parachute and write the message in the air with silly foam as they drop on the sure knowledge that God will approve and not let them hit the ground very hard.

SMFH #No Life

When I was born I was small, my skin was red, I pissed and shited all over myself and I just cried. I'd like to think I have improved since that :)

^Sure have! I wouldn't mind talcing your bottom now.

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Originally Posted by geloge

When I was born I was small, my skin was red, I pissed and shited all over myself and I just cried. I'd like to think I have improved since that :)

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I pictured you as born with a beard, a shaved head, and some gazpacho.

Child, I almost had to break out my reading glasses. Unfazed.

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Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

I pictured you as born with a beard, a shaved head, and some gazpacho.

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That would have been really cool! :lol:

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Originally Posted by Stoowii

Madonna has stans?

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#1 top grossing tour of 2012

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Originally Posted by Hard-up1

Anita Bryant probably flies as a hobby in her retirement.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmJUdLUo8HQ
Who can forget Anita Bryant? :rolleyes:

** In other note: Sadly that pic @OP is artistic.

They do make a valid scientific point. Homosexuality has never been conclusively linked to genetics. Maybe they are simply trying to claim that their homosexuality was more environmental than anything. Just a thought.

It shouldn't matter whether you are born gay or not.

If it's genetic you could argue that it's a disease.

I've never been a fan of the "I was born this way" argument from our community.

Lady Gaga's song takes it even further with "same DNA" (that line always makes me giggle).

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Originally Posted by rareboy

They just wasted $1900 bucks.

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Eh, ya gotta spend it on something.

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Originally Posted by youfiad

They do make a valid scientific point. Homosexuality has never been conclusively linked to genetics. Maybe they are simply trying to claim that their homosexuality was more environmental than anything. Just a thought.

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Trust me youfiad... any organization in the U.S. with "family" in the title that is saying something like "gays aren't born gay" is doing it for a reason that has nothing to do with scientific impartiality and rational discussion.

Lulz... I think I would need binoculars to look at that dumb banner. This is what you call a massive fail.

And yes, sexuality is linked to genetics and biological factors. That actually does have evidence. And notice I said sexuality. There never has been a shred of evidence for the environment argument. It's silly and has no basis. And no... just because one can say homosexuality is related to genetic/biological factors doesn't mean they are saying it's disease. Seriously... :##: I can't believe people are trying to justify this crap... maybe it's more towards their hatred of Lady Gaga if anything.

The AMA and APA both say the same thing I'm saying... and I'll think I'll go with them over some unsubstantiated rants.

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Originally Posted by youfiad

They do make a valid scientific point...

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I say we should be making valid scientific points. We should leading the debate and not letting it be led in slogans by maniac religious skywriters and attention-whore/singing freaks.

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Originally Posted by pat grimshaw

I say we should be making valid scientific points. We should leading the debate and not letting it be led in slogans by maniac religious skywriters and attention-whore/singing freaks.

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Oh yea... and I certainly see a lot of that so called "scientific points" on here... :lol: Attention whore singing freaks? funny how people tend to bash Lady Gaga here more than these so called "Family Associations" bash gay people.

I wasn't defending their action since the message behind it is obvious.

I'm just saying that the "I was born this way" argument from the gay community doesn't really help our cause.

The main thing to focus on is that there is nothing wrong with being gay, whether we were born that way or not.

How does it not help our cause? That's rubbish. It shows that we are not making a choice or some trauma in our childhood caused it. The born this way argument absolutely does help.

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Originally Posted by Laufey

I wasn't defending their action since the message behind it is obvious.

I'm just saying that the "I was born this way" argument from the gay community doesn't really help our cause.

The main thing to focus on is that there is nothing wrong with being gay, whether we were born that way or not.

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We can focus on both at once. I know many people who personally are uncomfortable with the idea of an abortion but still acknowledge that women should have reproductive freedoms and the ability to make their own choices.

Or putting it another way-- we can't (and probably shouldn't) try to convince every single person who struggles with extreme bias or a lifetime of prejudice to "love gay people", but to wake up to their civic duty that they don't have to like someone to agree they should have equal rights in society.

The people who come from the intent you acknowledge that groups like this have believe that being gay is totally wrong, and so if it's a choice-- they believe it's a choice you should be pressured in as many social and legal and moral ways as possible to change your mind about. The problem of course being-- it's not a choice.

The danger in pushing the "born this way" argument is that it suggests "I can't help it". So once scientists determine the cause of homosexuality, the natural response is "well, good news - now you CAN help it!" and they can start working on "fixing" us. I know that's not the point of the "born this way" argument but I do feel it could easily lead in that direction.

Lex

Throwing "I was born this way" at people might be interpret that you would change if you could. It's not a positive thing at all.

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

It shows that we are not making a choice or some trauma in our childhood caused it.

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Or that it's a genetic disease if we were born this way.

You being gay from genetics or environment can both be seen in negative or positive light.

People who are stuck in seeing homosexuality as a bad thing will just interpret the gay gene in a negative way since diseases and other negative features can be genetic.

It's a waste of time argument.

Us not being born gay doesn't make it wrong (I'm not claiming that's the case though)

Wow... how many more slippery slope arguments do we need to go down... it's dangerous to push the "born this way" argument because it may cause "scientists" looking for a way to "fix it". That still doesn't invalidate an argument backed by scientific fact.

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Originally Posted by Laufey

Throwing "I was born this way" at people might be interpret that you would change if you could. It's not a positive thing at all.



Or that it's a genetic disease if we were born this way.

You being gay from genetics or environment can both be seen in negative or positive light.

People who are stuck in seeing homosexuality as a bad thing will just interpret the gay gene in a negative way since diseases and other negative features can be genetic.

It's a waste of time argument.

Us not being born gay doesn't make it wrong (I'm not claiming that's the case though)

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Laufey I think this may be an issue where you need to acknowledge that you don't live in a country where there is a major, political powerful religious alliance pushing concepts like you can reform through prayer and religious intervention and become ex-gay.

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Originally Posted by Laufey

Or that it's a genetic disease.

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Rubbish. It's not.

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You being gay from genetics or environment can both be seen in negative or positive light.

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Nope. The environment argument is thoroughly negative. The genetics/biological one is not (and this refers to sexuality in general).

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People who are stuck in seeing homosexuality as a bad thing will just interpret the gay gene in a negative way since diseases and other negative features can be genetic.

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Who cares what those people think? This is about gaining legitimacy in society in the overall population. It's futile trying to explain science and reason to those who are entrenched in their outmoded ideas. Some people are more open to having their mind changed, but the environment argument does nothing but hurt. And even saying it is a choice... well that does serious damage to our cause so the religious right can continue to advance their "ex-gay" crap therapy. We tried to ban that "therapy" here in California but now the law is being held up in court.

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Originally Posted by xbuzzerx

Laufey I think this may be an issue where you need to acknowledge that you don't live in a country where there is a major, political powerful religious alliance pushing concepts like you can reform through prayer and religious intervention and become ex-gay.

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Religious fanatics always ignore science when it's convenient for them. Finding the gay gene won't change a thing for those people.

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Originally Posted by Laufey

Religious fanatics always ignore science when it's convenient for them. Finding the gay gene won't change a thing for those people.

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But you can't convince those people to "be okay with being gay" when they believe it's a sin, and a choice. Like murder or adultery.

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Originally Posted by Laufey

Religious fanatics always ignore science when it's convenient for them. Finding the gay gene won't change a thing for those people.

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Then ignore them and try to focus on the general population. And by the way, they are already are pushing and have been pushing "cures" for homosexuality regardless for years...

A guy once told me a traumatic event that happened early in your life makes you gay.

It's true. Being born is traumatic.

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Originally Posted by CupidBoy

Those Madonna stans will stop at nothing, smh.

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Rubbish. It's not.

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I wasn't saying it is. I'm just saying you can interpret it being genetic both in a negative and a positive way. Just like you can interpret things the environment shapes both negative and positive.

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Nope. The environment argument is thoroughly negative. The genetics/biological one is not (and this refers to sexuality in general).

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Please explain to me why being gay is suddenly bad just because it's roots are other than genetic?

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Originally Posted by GiancarloC

Who cares what those people think? This is about gaining legitimacy in society in the overall population. It's futile trying to explain science and reason to those who are entrenched in their outmoded ideas. Some people are more open to having their mind change, but the environment argument does nothing but hurt.

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We don't deserve legitimacy if we weren't born gay? Why not?