day 1 it was stevens fault chief - a tirade of bullshit and denigration
ur epiphany is faux and new
and no one buys it
as for Hills ......... she's prob got Bill's old staff working on her story
the one that puts her in the most favorable light
which would be the dark
I thought you were taking Buzzer out to the field to cornhole him.
So with your concern expressed for another poster's mental state, would it be fair game to suggest that your meds may be out of balance as well? You know we all worry about you. Is that how we'll deal with it from now on? Just stop an argument by telling the other poster that they need pharmacological intervention? Is that how the next four years play out?
Some honesty from the Obama Administration would be a good start. Obama doesn't need to play the American people anymore -- he doesn't have to run for anything anymore -- he won. A winner and leader would not flaunt his victory, he would work to mend fences and promote the general welfare of all people.
Obama has done the opposite.
Benghazi would have long blown over, except for the mourning of the dead, if the Obama Administration had been honest and not tried to spin a story. What I and others don't understand is -- why did they go to such extremes to spin the story and then clam up on the details when asked.
^ No Benghazi has already blown over. Except for you. Chance and FOX.
And yes, Benghazi did blow over. Nobody cares about it anymore, but a bunch of sad trolls under a bridge in a gay board, and a gang of sad "reporters" afraid they'll lose their jobs if they can't make the president look bad.
Since that time the investigation completed by the State Department and sanctioned as correct by the Senate Intel committee confirmed my suspicions and debunked yours. You then tried to translate that to other issues like Hammar who tried crossing an international border with a fucking firearm as if that was okie dokie. And make out my position that transporting a firearm across international borders is fucking ignorant and has consequences. But again you adopted fake outrage to try and shape the discussion as me being callous and uncaring because I lap Obama's balls. Yet again in that case the correct level of government intervened, the man was freed and he will not transport weapons again will he?
So the long and short is easy. You are the white knight of republican defense which is ostensibly the party of personal responsibility. (Although their leaders rarely demonstrate such behavior) Yet when actions taken by individuals have consequences you scrape and claw to blame it on others.
What is the truth is that the process at State could be faulted while Amb. Stevens made decisions outside of protocol. The two items are not in any way mutually exclusive. Similarly the proper levels can work to free Hammar (Not POTUS Obama) while at the same time what he was accused of and what occurred could be greatly flawed. In the end the same is maintained. Personal decisions reap personal consequences. That is a fact of life no matter how you lean politically.
^ all anyone has to do is read the originals - if they choose
no need for you to cover (badly) your tracks
as for decisions and consequences i agree
The President doesn't seem to and it appears neither do you
His decisions with regard to running the country and promises that don't take ....... well he inherited xyz
Positive developments he takes credit for
He has accepted no responsibility for Benghazi - he lied about the events - no one has been held accountable (really) - reassignments are re-arranging the deck chairs on the Titanic
Hills has been MIA
And you're changing your story
It's all very convenient
but not very honest
President Obama stated on national television that if anyone in congress wanted to blame anyone for Benghazi then they can come talk to him about it because it is his responsibility. More of a sitch (<< is that the cutsey slang) ?! More of a sitch where you refuse to here English words and comprehend them because they do not fit your story that you have already decided must be. Kinda the same reason the entire republican establishment was ignorant to their historic loss this time around.
As for Hillary, how is she "MIA?" Has she been missing for years or unable to be located by anyone? Is she being held prisoner by the Viet Cong? I guess the next time someone takes sick leave, we'll have to notify the Army to send out a search team.
PS: Correction made to your list -- emphasis added.
The President makes himself look bad by his refusal to answer questions. As I've said before, if they would have honest from the beginning instead of creating a stupid story about a video -- this probably would not be news today. Nixon thought the same thing about breaking into an office -- not a big deal.
2) Refuse to answer what questions? Has he been dragged before a court of law and taken the Fifth? He sure had no problems answering questions about it on 60 Minutes.
Please, Jack. Stop the madness. I know at it makes your anus pucker to know that a "blah person" is in the White House, but you have to move on. Better luck in 2016, mein freund!
I wonder why the bipartisan investigation sponsored by State and endorsed by the Senate didnt find any of your conspiracies? Why did Lyndsey Graham and John McCain drop the issue... you know guys who have a security clearance and know the whole story? What is your tin foil hat picking up that our Senators missed?
He advised you to think hard before posting - clearly it fell on deaf ears
He shared that NO ONE likes you - he knows his shit
as for the "story" course it's not well covered
there's so much shit going on in the US - that any story struggles to stay "topical"
and Obamallegiance as practiced by the media keeps the volume low - they'd rather fawn over the Pres. cuz he's so cool ;)
But 4 heroes are dead and the report, despite lies to the contrary above by one who should know better, points directly to systematic failure of the state dept.
the state dept. headed by hills
with obama as her boss
obama stonewalled this puppy for the longest time and now that the election is over, it's sorta white noise
but not because it isn't a big deal
because politics trumps the truth
his views speak for themselves
^ In Republican world, delayed testimony because of a head blood clot = "stonewalling."
Were you utterly and completely asleep through 8 years of Bush? Because if there's no way you were awake you'd think this is stonewalling.
See post #163 Chance.
he "took responsibility"
the way O.J. took responsibility for Nicole's death
obamallegiance in full view ;)
he refused to take questions from the press
he referenced it as a response to a video for about 10 days - the best was on The View with his ladies
he lied about it
he sent out susan rice to tell a story then left her for dead
he posed about it being "on him" but clearly they were empty words
no one was held accountable for it - no one lost their job - 4 men are dead
the head of the state dept. has yet to weigh in - probably soon - i imagine she's been coached well by now what to say what not to say - there has been plenty of time
obama politically won on this
as a man he lost
Obama saying NOTHING
The fact that it was an Al Qaeda attack was known the day after - The President clearly had access to the information - and he lied in the debate saying he knew it was a terror attack
make up your mind GC
your unwillingness (admitted) to reading anything but the funny papers makes u an impossible character to engage with
What I am trying to figure out is what "truth" is it that people are looking for? There's really only a few key things any of us really needs to know:
1) Our consulate in Benghazi was attacked. This was known on day one by all.
2) Our ambassador and three others were killed. This was know on day one by all.
3) We are looking for who did it. This was known on day one by all.
These are really the only things anyone needs to know. What label you attach to the people who did it is irrelevant. A few things should also be noted here:
1) If this was an election ploy, it was a poor one. Most of the truth and testimony came out before the election, so I don't see how any of this would have benefited the President anyway.
2) Diplomats and US personnel serving overseas know the risks and that their lives are in danger constantly. It's not like this guy was promised a cushy desk job and was unaware of the dangers he faced.
3) If Benghazi was known by those in the country to be so dangerous and if they needed so badly to get extra security there to make it safe, the Ambassador could have just not gone. He could have remained at the embassy in Tripoli and stayed out of harm's way. He knew the risks and the security situation before going there and chose to go anyway.
4) Mistakes were made and mistakes were admitted to. The President accepted full responsibility. I'm not exactly sure what it is the people who keep this going are after except for satisfaction of their personal vendetta against the President.
5) Some of these posts seem to invoke the whole "they're not telling us everything" conspiracy theory-type themes. A lot of details of any overseas mission and it's activities aren't shared with the public, so I wouldn't ever expect to see a lot of things people are hoping to see.
The bottom line is that we lost good Americans in Benghazi. They were aware of the risks they were taking and, unfortunately, they paid the ultimate price. It's always sad to lose Americans overseas, but to continue to use their deaths to try and attack the President and his administration over something which the recent State Department report provides complete insight into, is no more honorable than the claims that are made that the President used a cover-up of their deaths for political gain.
Chance, keep your snide remarks of what "respected members" think to yourself. I have my observations of your status of likeability as well, and I keep them to myself because they have no part in any topic here. Of the two of us, only one has ever had his posts delayed for inspection, so I'd say this isn't a purse fight you're equipped to win.
Well I like Rolyo so the "NO ONE LIKES HIM" thing, sadly, is disproven.
(I'M STEALING from Rolyo!!)
Nothing is silly when one inhabits the UnderBridge.
"Better to remain silent and be thought a fool than to speak out and remove all doubt"
another free bit of advice
as for Hills and the "report"
it proves a high level of incompetency on this matter - and it proves that no one was truly held accountable - the Obama administration is big on words but not so much on substance - his puffy chested "it's on me" is like a guy who steps into a skirmish w/o any real intent to fight - that's the Pres.
no one was held accountable
tiger - your piece is as if it's a fictional what if story
it was not
and the President, as he has shown for 4 years now - is not a leader - he's a talker
Selective amnesia that the standard Republican posture has been admit no mistake, ever, show no sign of weakness, ever. Plausible deniability forever. Gitmo. Abu Ghraib. WMD in Iraq.
Apparently that's all = "Mistakes were made. The buck stops here, I am responsible."
Chance, why do you give advice you are laughably incapable of following? Your smug superior tone fools nobody but yourself, and even that poorly, I'd wager.
As for the topic, you did not answer the question - WHAT have we not been told? HOW is this a conspiracy? WHAT information is being hidden?
I don't shit on Obama - I just point out problems I have with his (lack of) accountability and leadership
No one lost their job - they just shuffled the deck chairs on The Titanic - still hit the ice
Read Bob Woodward's book on Obama - his personality, his (lack of) leadership, his dislike for people/politics
try to expand your limited horizons
Skins/Seahawks - not sure who to root for
and if i can help someone get over the hump, why not - we're all on this earth aren't we ?
no smug or superior here - i'm actually humble and insecure
the conspiracy was to hold info from the american public initially - the original lies - the doubletalk - for almost 2 weeks
it was an inconvenient truth - it was politics - this isn't new - just unseemly
pres. obama ran in 2008 on a platform and mantra that is so opposite of how he conducts himself, his campaign and his decision making
he's a complete phony and this is another example
but i won't "let it go" as it's clear what really happened
It's laughable. Basically you're admitting to beating a dead horse, because when they were killing it, they weren't totally honest and clear in the method from the get go.
It's easy to sit back and make overarching, generalized statements like "there needs to be accountability" or "the President is a terrible leader", but your position lacks any kind of credence or substance if you can't articulate what it is you want to see. Honestly, I don't think those that constantly make statements like this will ever be satisfied with anything the President does because it doesn't serve the underlying issue of them just not liking the guy. They will find anything to seize on and just run with it.
And my piece reads as an event that actually happened that a group of people are reading as a fictional what-if that has some sinister back story where some evil government is attempting to deceive it's citizens. You and everyone else knew from day one that Americans were killed by bad people. Maybe you were expecting all of the details to emerge right then, but time to investigate exactly what happened needed to occur. You had Republicans attacking the administration just hours after the event occurred without having any of the facts themselves. They screamed for an explanation and answers immediately when the facts weren't fully known and then attacked the initial assessment (which was clearly described as such in every interview and press conference after it was given) of what went on when it was given.