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No one thinks him missing the meeting was good
The meeting 2 months after the attack with limited defense that wasn't spontaneous and hasn't been explained
Your tired verbiage regarding mcCain is and never was in any way anything other than a reflection on u
I thought Dana Milbank's piece on Susan Rice was noteworthy, coming from a liberal columnist and having almost nothing to do with Libya.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinio...y.html?hpid=z2
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Even in a town that rewards sharp elbows and brusque personalities, Rice has managed to make an impressive array of enemies — on Capitol Hill, in Foggy Bottom and abroad. Particularly in comparison with the other person often mentioned for the job, Sen. John Kerry, she can be a most undiplomatic diplomat, and there likely aren’t enough Republican or Democratic votes in the Senate to confirm her.
Back when she was an assistant secretary of state during the Clinton administration, she appalled colleagues by flipping her middle finger at Richard Holbrooke during a meeting with senior staff at the State Department, according to witnesses. Colleagues talk of shouting matches and insults...
It was Rice’s own shoot-first tendency that caused her to be benched as a spokesman for the Obama campaign for a time in 2008. She unnerved European allies when she denounced as “counterproductive” and “self-defeating” the U.N. policy that Iran suspend its nuclear program before talks can begin. She criticized President George W. Bush and McCain because they “insisted” on it. But, as The Post’s Glenn Kessler pointed out at the time, European diplomats were rattled by such remarks because the precondition was their idea.
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The nation’s top diplomat needs to show more sensitivity and independence — traits Clinton has demonstrated in abundance. Obama can do better at State than Susan Rice.
McCain is a scull fucked piece of shit that I would be insulted to get smeared on the bottom of my shoes. He is the ass end asshole at the end of the Uptight pucker that is known as the GOP.
Partisan witch hunts will not work this time. The forces of reality are against the cumbucket McGullum and his ilk. Be warned. Those so desperate for power that they hurt innocent people deserve to have their power taken.
MCGollum will fall into irelevance now because people will want Obama's favor now on the hill more than his, and it is eating the old fuckers mind out.
He has no soul. Just the empty sore loser that he has become.
No. No, don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonPirate
No wonder she's a darling hereQuote:
Originally Posted by loki81
Potty mouth and finger
It now makes sense ;)
Thanks Loki for the lucid if not temporary moment
Potty mouth? As compared to the potty mouth attacks republicans and right wingers do against Obama? Seriously pot calling the kettle black.Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
Unfortunately the world doesnt not behave the way people were taught to behave in pre-school.... for some that makes them so mad they miss their naps and get grumpy.Quote:
Originally Posted by GiancarloC
I could post some of the things crazy right wingers on twitter and some GOP politicians have said about Obama... but I think I'll be banned for posting some insane stuff.Quote:
Originally Posted by JayHawk
Susan Rice is an accomplished diplomat with a credible history. She's not perfect, but republicans criticizing her reeks of irony. These are the same guys who were in charge when they sent thousands of American soldiers to die in Iraq on shitty intelligence. That's kinda the one issue I have with Colin Powell joining the Obama administration... but if he acknowledges it was a mistake, I can forgive. Republicans are not capable of forgiving.
I wanted to say that!Quote:
Originally Posted by JayHawk
I started reading this thread today, 11/16. I've been hearing all day stories of Petraeus' meeting with the congress and things are what Rice has been saying. Where are all of y'all? I was waiting for the shit to hit the fan!!!
Susan Rice in 2016 !!!
^^^
She could take Biden's place when he steps down as VP ... early path to 2016.
If the bar for appointments is Eric Holder, she passes the test ;)
Interesting that Pres. Obama would chose a woman whose most recent appearance with The American people was tragically misleading at best - liar liar pants on fire at worst
Interesting that everyone knew it was a terror attack on day 1 - including Petraeus - and Al Qaeda was on the original talking points
but somehow Ms. Susan said otherwise
yeah for my next act, I will be Secty. of State
LOL
Prove she was a liar. I'm still waiting for it. And don't just say it. Petraeus is backing up she said. It's a nice try really. Petraeus didn't say it was a terrorist attack on day one. Please read what he said again please. This just destroys your case, chance.
in case anyone wants to rush to her defense ;) from the vicious attacks - racial and gender based for sure
of the honorable susan rice
who according to dana millbank who if u have seen him on tv ever, LOVES obama, almost as much as the "journalist" in the recent pres. press conference who got a tingle just by being on the same planet as he
anyway back to dana
he says susan rice is a fucking mess
back to my point
here's susan's FB page - show her some luv will ya ? ;)
and do it ......... SPONTANEOUSLY with feeling
http://www.facebook.com/AmbassadorRice
The funny thing about the republicans is that they are falling on their swords over imaginary issues when they could actually pick fair criticism and fix issues for america... today saw the Georgia Republican Majority Leader step down because he bleieve Obama is using a cold war era mind control technique, John McCain refused to answer questions about how far off base he was about Susan Rice today after admitting Gen Patraeus backs up the official story and the CIA did not shit author the talking points given by Ambassador Rice, the Maine Majority leader was amazed certain areas of Maine had blacks but swears that isnt racist as he steps down, and all across the country republicans are running away from Romney's claim that Obama used gifts to buy the election....
You may not see it much on here from these republicans because they are loath to actually admit when they are wrong but the cool thing is the non-insane portions of the party are publicly outing these nutcases for what they are and possibly getting the republican party back on track to a viable second tier in American Politics.
Dana Millbank can suck that mongoloid can head McGollum's cunt for all I care.
I don't base my lofty opinion of him on what other people think. I have my own opinions.
McGollum is a knappy pussy with saggy meat curtains, and yes, that's still holding back.
Some readers may legitimately regard your derogation of mongoloids as a racial insult.Quote:
Originally Posted by BostonPirate
I assume your use of the term “McGollum” is a reference to Senator McCain?
By the way, as a "did you know?" point, the term "mongoloid" is only medical - never racial - in Bulgaria, but it is used as an insult the way "retard" is used here.
Regardless of its use by unsophisticated persons to insult other individuals who may not correspond with a desired intellect, physical characteristics, personality, or those who suffer from certain medical maladies; contemporary physical anthropologists use the term to reference racial populations according to their genetic and physical characteristics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolyo85
I am aware. I just meant that the word ONLY means the medical condition in my language, when used on its own. To make it racial, you would have to only use it in the "mongoloid race" construct. If used at an individual, it implies retardation.
And that usage is unsophisticated, at a minimum.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rolyo85
I don't know what you keep trying to imply. I am talking linguistics, not culture or education.
Huh? O.o Hate speech? I said something as a linguistic point of interest that the same word has only half the meaning in one language that it has in another, in no relation to any topic previously discussed here. Chill.
I put up a couple of "likes" on Susan Rice's FB page
Anyone else ?
Does anyone actually think she's a good pick ;).
That this pick is ........ Smart ?
Well...back to topic....I really don't see her being confirmed as Secretary of State.
Who are some other choices?
Beyonce would be good
She could negotiate deals and perform
It hasn't even been said that she is even thought of as a possibility.
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Originally Posted by opinterph
Yes, at a minimum.
I refered to the mental process and I see how associating these people with Mr McCain, who I did in fact refer to as McGollum, could be insulting and insensitive to people that are born with an unfortunate genetic disorder.
I think any group at this point would feel insulted by being associated with him.
To all the members that suffer from downs syndrome, I deeply apologize. I would prefer your company to that of Mr McCain
I am not amused with Mr McCain's desire to smear a woman with lies, and so I gave him the same treatment that he gave her to prove a point.
That point being proven, I had carefully chosen words that were meant to offend, only Mr McCain, not any others.
If there are people here who suffer from this, or care for people who do, My actions were insensitive to them.
My apology, unasked for, but inferred needed, goes to people that are disabled. In any case, if this is the way that the board moderation interprets it's Code of Conduct then, that is what it is. I am a guest and the house rules are designed to create an even playing field. I will comply, respectfully.
But I am not apologizing to Mr McCain.
To the topic....
Rice will not be the next SoS. Kerry will stonewall Obama in the senate if he does not get in the admin. He's old and he wants to retire with a year or two in exec service and the period on his career.
Kerry has too many favors out to not be able to sabotage the nomination.
McGourd is shooting the GOP in the foot to get a committee seat, and it's one of the most ridiculous political moves he's ever made. He fears the irelevance of his next assignment, the committee on indian affairs.... they oversee the reservations, I believe.
The democrats are TRYING to give Scott Brown his seat back, so we can have a swing GOP senate voter.
McCain seems to think being on the native american committee is below him. I think he's below the senate's acceptable standards of behavior and needs to be investigated by the ethics committee.
Until that happens, I intend to give him what he gives to the innocent people that are in his political way.
PS... His daughter has recently stated that she is considering leaving the GOP over the way the party has handled the election and it's aftermath, and that's more of a personal condemnation of her father than I could ever give.
I don't think she's a "great" pick, but ultimately, I think a wide amount of deference should be given by Congress to the President when it comes to confirming appointments (especially Cabinet posts). I don't feel like she meets the "utterly unqualified" threshold where I'd support a Senate filibuster if indeed she is Obama's choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
I can't tell if you're talking about Beyonce or Rice :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by White Eagle
most people are saying it's down to Rice vs Kerry (http://www.politico.com/politico44/2...se-149345.html)... it sounds like Obama would prefer Rice, but Kerry would likely be the easier Senate confirmation. it's probably going to come down to how much the Administration is willing to go to the mat for Rice.
Yeah, word on the street is that Beyonce and Jay-Z are going to be Co-Secretaries of State.Quote:
Originally Posted by White Eagle
As compared to Kid Rock and Ted Nugent? I'm sure Nugent would have been the GOP's preferred Secretary of Defense if Romney were to have won.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jack Springer
for secretary of state, I think the "wide" amount of deference is crazyQuote:
Originally Posted by loki81
it's a critical position - it's not ambassador to ireland
my guess is that had we done a poll HERE with an 85-15 progressive split, her name would not have appeared as a candidate
she's a teacher's pet play - one who has no biz being in the convo
that was BEFORE Benghazi spontaneous silliness
and before UBER progressive Obama loving talking head Dana Millbank offered some insights into her conduct and her ability to get along with others
outenzee
if the president goes to the mat, one must wonder why the fuck he would
that'd be worthy of an investigation
her multiple skills make her a natch :)Quote:
Originally Posted by White Eagle
Yeah, I personally would prefer Kerry, but actually don't think there is anything disqualifying about Rice whatsoever... a president is supposed to have a lot of flexibility in his appointments... that is when he isn't surrounded by a bunch of obstructionists. I would be far more concerned with the character traits that Loki listed previously than anything about Libya... which is imaginary and a witch hunt targeted at the messenger.Quote:
Originally Posted by loki81
I also think a Rice pick would show strength the Obama campaign could give a flying fuck about the GOP's ridiculous conspiracy theories. It's funny... the GOP first claimed Obama was throwing Rice under the bus... and THAT was outrageous... now that he isn't... THAT's ALSO outrageous. Go figure...
strength? how so? by being stupid? obstinate? picking a friend over the most qualified? that's strength?Quote:
Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit
that's childish
your focus on what the GOP "thinks" is sorta silly and off point
and a deflection
lots of that going around
convos about mccain when the topic is rice
convos about xyz when the topic is journalistic integrity
seems there's a market for noise not the topic at hand
the topic here is secretary of state - prob the # 1 position next to pres.
This thread is about the possibility of Rice as SoS... is it not? I'm tired of this nonsense that McCain... who is the most senior and animated critic of the possibility of Rice as SoS (see the connection ;))... the conspiracy voicebox of the GOP... is completely irrelevant. He is completely relevant as his behavior is 100% indicative of the GOP's/conservatve media's obsession with the false premise around Libya and what Rice's role in that situation was.Quote:
Originally Posted by chance1
And, if you read my post, I never said he should base he decision on showing up the GOP on their ridiculousness (I actually said I prefer Kerry)... of course it should be on qualifications... which she coincidentally also has. That would just be one consequence...
Rice is not the right person for the job.
Aside from all the political considerations, I think she simply does not have the basic social skills needed for that position. I base my opinion on interviews that I have seen with her. She is very dismissive of those who ask her questions she does not like and is a bit too, how can you say politely, well she is a bit too arrogant.
I have never cared for her, and I think she as been a less than average UN rep. She is better than anything Bush fielded in the UN, but that is not the best of standards one can use to judge her.
What of substance has she accopplished in the UN since her tenure began? Sec Clinton took the lead on the Libya intervention, so that was not her work. What votes has she gotten through the security council? How has she moved russia and China to stop blocking the UN intervention in Syria?
The US has a much more respected global profile in the world since Obama took office, but I can't see any reason that she was part of anything good.
Blaming her and vilifying her for Benghazi is bellow the belt. It's just not within her purview to have done anything but repeat info that others gave her. As ambassador, she does not make up policy, she repeats what policy papers she's been given by other agencies. She acts at the convenience of the president and represents his interests.
She does not make policy.
well it appears it's rice v kerry - it's not a "possibility" as in it's a long shot - read BP's Massachusetts takes over the world essay ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit
I understand you don't like McCain and our resident Masshole (I say that with all due respect) has outlined 100 different vile cuss words to describe Sen. McCain who I will never forgive for his DADT performance (a losing one at that) and lost great respect for during his most recent re-election campaign where he had to go the right of a right wing challenger
that said - he's a war hero - POW - not many of those still living - and for that I and I feel all americans should respect that service, conduct, etc.
back to topic
beyonce is a better choice IMO
as silly as it sounds imagine a cabinet of hollywood stars/starlets, singers, etc.
Amen brother.Quote:
Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit
Thanks for that one!
I wonder if Bill Clinton would have some free time for the job?
He was pretty fucking good with foreign as well as domestic affairs.
I likey :)Quote:
Originally Posted by rareboy
That's been a secret fantasy of mine for a while. Big Bill has been after a different position up until now. He wanted to be Secretary General of the United nations, But they listed him as a populist impossible candidate.Quote:
Originally Posted by rareboy
http://www.unsg.org/candidates.html
It may be he would do it, to improve his chops there. The Clinton Global Initiative seems to not have been enough for them just yet.
I could get behind Bill.... it wouldn't be that historic at all for a President to serve in a future admin... He definitively earned his spot in an Obama Admin by getting so many opinions and votes headed the right direction.
It was Rice. Obama has not mentioned he has appointed her as SOS, so isn't all this talk a bit unnecessary?:lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by loki81
THis is what SHE said on monday.....Quote:
Originally Posted by White Eagle
http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp...8ba77b1e43.131Quote:
Susan Rice, the top US diplomat at the center of speculation about a top job in the new Obama administration, said Monday she is happy to remain the US ambassador to the United Nations.
US media reports have made Rice a strong contender to become US secretary of state in place of Hillary Clinton or President Barack Obama's national security adviser.
"I love my job here at the United Nations. I always have, I always will, especially today, and I look forward to continuing to serve for as long as President Obama would like me to," Rice told reporters after the United States secured a second term on the UN Human Rights Council.
So all this week they have been fighting over a job she has stated that she does not desire to have.
As a certain Texan would say... Bless your pea pickin heart.
How clever of you to have copy and pasted something that someone else sent you that didn't have the Brass tacks to just post themselves.
Well that's the Pudding on top of the Pie.
Boston i think it comes down to the initial weighing of the cocks to see whose is biggest.... it could have been any issue but they had to test the waters.... republicans now know deep down inside that they suck. I think it is no surprise that right after everyone reacted with incredulous indignation at McCain's stupid antics you saw first Boehner and then McConnell concede that revenue (A.K.A. Raising Taxes) was on the table....
Sounds strange because of the other Rice in the Bush administration and now this Rice ?
Can't they pick other people with different name?