Jews for Hitler

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

The arrogance of anyone thinking they have the absolutely correct beliefs got me to thinking about how my father used to talk about an uncle who thought only people who went to his church went to heaven -- no one else because they did not believe the way they did.

This is the same type of hate and and narrow minded thinking I see my many of the posters recently in CEP -- maybe it's because of the end of a very long and hard fought campaign or maybe people are just showing their colors.

One thing I've noticed is that the more conservative people that chat here are more forgiving, more open minded, and not nearly as hateful as some of our more liberal posters.

Personally, I don't like the "hitler" comparisons for anything. It's time to make "hitler" a banned word on CEP -- if the other "ball" phrase can be banned -- why not "hitler".

Romney is not hitler. If he gets elected it will not be the end of the world -- life goes on. If Obama win -- the world will go on too.

I am not a traitor. I vote my conscience and for what I think is best for my overall well being and the good of the country. If you can't accept that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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yep - this

progressives twisted arms to get OBL banned yet jews for hitler is ok somehow

pretty fucking lame shit

If the economy is the most important issue, why the heck would anybody vote for Mitt Romney who led a state miserably with a terrible record? How does one explain what? He left the governorship after three years and with a shitty approval rating. Something else I will explain: HAve you seen the polling in Massachusetts? People in that state HATE HIM. 47th in job creation... big whoopie doo.

Anybody who CARES about the economy shouldn't vote for Mitt Romney. He has no real plans besides more platitudes.

The man's tax plan is completely IMPOSSIBLE.

Anytime I hear someone saying "Romney is good for the economy"... I think that's a lame argument with no real proof. Romney is shit for the economy... he'll line up the pockets of the rich and the rest of us will suffer. INCLUDING MINORITIES.

And Latinos are favoring Obama 70-30%... and we got hit harder than the rest of the country. Most Latinos know that Mitt Romney is bad news.

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Let the mod's do their job. Frankly I'm sick of all the self-appointed mod's in CEP.

... and I'm speaking from the position of someone who has felt the "wrath" of two.

(*8*)

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Originally Posted by chance1

yep - this

progressives twisted arms to get OBL banned yet jews for hitler is ok somehow

pretty fucking lame shit

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yeah ... it was AWKWARD. and UNCOMFORTABLE.

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

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Let the mod's do their job. Frankly I'm sick of all the self-appointed mod's in CEP.

... and I'm speaking from the position of someone who has felt the "wrath" of two.

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How ironic. :roll:

Hey guys here is what Massachusetts think of Romney:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1804.html

17-20% in the two latest polls... in favor of Obama. Why is that? Can anybody explain this? How is this possible? Mitt Romney was governor in the most liberal state blah blah blah...

Hello Peanut gallery!! I'm back!!!

Well Chance evidently the Romney that got elected in Mass was several iterations and about faces ago. Think Romney #29847562377 could still pull that off? How do you know what he's going to do? He changes his mind like every 1.3 seconds, and that's on his slow days.

Nope, you still look like you are simply in the anyone but Obama camp.

True? False? ...Only the shadow knows.....

You should say thank you to all the people that made this thread look like something other than personal spleen at a poster who got under your skin.

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Originally Posted by chance1

the economy is the single most important issue ...... the one that can elevate (or not) the lives of ALL:

whites
blacks
latinos
women
gays
etc.

ALL OF US

while it is "just one factor" it is the one factor that trumps all

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In theory that should be the case. I'm not so inclined to believe that an increase in GDP is going to necessarily lift people out of poverty. Added to which, we can't buy rights. A rich nation doesn't equate to a happy nation. I think the all around package counts.

I certainly hope you are right about Romney. If he wins the presidency, i will probably be around to say I TOLD YOU SO if gay rights are set back. :P

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

Hello Peanut gallery!! I'm back!!!

Well Chance evidently the Romney that got elected in Mass was several iterations and about faces ago. Think Romney #29847562377 could still pull that off? How do you know what he's going to do? He changes his mind like every 1.3 seconds, and that's on his slow days.

Nope, you still look like you are simply in the anyone but Obama camp.

True? False? ...Only the shadow knows.....

You should say thank you to all the people that made this thread look like something other than personal spleen at a poster who got under your skin.

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nice to have u back

i hope your dr. drew visit went well ;)

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Romney is not hitler. If he gets elected it will not be the end of the world -- life goes on. If Obama win -- the world will go on too.

I am not a traitor. I vote my conscience and for what I think is best for my overall well being and the good of the country. If you can't accept that, I'm not sure what to tell you.

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Well said, Jack. I obviously disagree with your views immensely, but I do not question that you nor other Romney supporters are doing any less than than voting your conscience. Even though we are all gay... we all have different circumstances, backgrounds, aspirations, and priorities.

In terms of the thread topic, language like "Jews for Hitler" is clearly over the line and does nothing to promote enlightening conversation in the forum... nor does a lot of the other over the top language that results from people letting their emotions get the best of them.

That being said, JB18's initial thread did resonate with a lot of people... including a lot of more "reasonable" people I might add... for a very good reason. Voting for a Romney/Ryan ticket is UNDENIABLY bad from a civil rights perspective for gay people (shockingly a pretty touchy subject on a gay forum)... and noone on either side seems to be disputing this fact... the dispute seems to be over whether other issues are more important. And some have taken offense to JB18's "we will remember" line, which, quite frankly, I do not see as that "threatening". But, still, I will attempt to phrase a similar point slightly differently. If you vote for Romney, I am far less concerned with you worrying about "me remembering" and more concerned with "you remembering". Now, granted, we are arguing about the future... which, naturally comes with uncertainty... even though the evidence seems to strongly suggests otherwise... perhaps a Romney/Ryan ticket won't be as bad (just bad) as some of us anticipate. But, in a hypothetical world where Romney wins and enacts legislation/appoints justices that indeed turn the clock back on gay rights... and our community suffers as a consequence, I would hope Romney supporters would say, "Gee... was that gamble really worth it?"

Dr Drew is hot. I'd do him.

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Originally Posted by centexfarmer

Can't do that. :nono:

Who are you to decide what's out of bounds?.....

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Never said it was my decision. I just read the Guidelines, I hope correctly. If not, I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by ReadyWithReadyWit

Well said, Jack. I obviously disagree with your views immensely, but I do not question that you nor other Romney supporters are doing any less than than voting your conscience. Even though we are all gay... we all have different circumstances, backgrounds, aspirations, and priorities.

In terms of the thread topic, language like "Jews for Hitler" is clearly over the line and does nothing to promote enlightening conversation in the forum... nor does a lot of the other over the top language that results from people letting their emotions get the best of them.

That being said, JB18's initial thread did resonate with a lot of people... including a lot of more "reasonable" people I might add... for a very good reason. Voting for a Romney/Ryan ticket is UNDENIABLY bad from a civil rights perspective for gay people (shockingly a pretty touchy subject on a gay forum)... and noone on either side seems to be disputing this fact... the dispute seems to be over whether other issues are more important. And some have taken offense to JB18's "we will remember" line, which, quite frankly, I do not see as that "threatening". But, still, I will attempt to phrase a similar point slightly differently. If you vote for Romney, I am far less concerned with you worrying about "me remembering" and more concerned with "you remembering". Now, granted, we are arguing about the future... which, naturally comes with uncertainty... even though the evidence seems to strongly suggests otherwise... perhaps a Romney/Ryan ticket won't be as bad (just bad) as some of us anticipate. But, in a hypothetical world where Romney wins and enacts legislation/appoints justices that indeed turn the clock back on gay rights... and our community suffers as a consequence, I would hope Romney supporters would say, "Gee... was that gamble really worth it?"

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I'm sure that being gay does not entirely describe who you are as a person. You are more than that.

Old and tired argument. It's not all that defines you but as far as so many fundamental rights go, it's ALL that law and society sees in you, and arguing that there's more to you won't change that one bit.

I am still not clear - was the topic directed at me, or at JB18? I can't see the OP..

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

Dr Drew is hot. I'd do him.

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you've been away too long ......... clearly ;)

It always makes me snicker when people trot out the "I'm more than just gay." Why must one be "more than that." What exactly is "more than that." Why do some people hold this up as some kind of ideal?

...BUT BUT BUT I like small bunnies and unicorns and they aren't gay shit, and that's all...

OK but you (general you) are STILL a fag who likes unicorns and bunnies!

I mean, what precisely is this supposed to say? Do they keep their gay in a little box under the bed and fondle it happily in the dark of night?

Being straight does not "describe you as a person." Yet they never ever say that. Because it damn well does describe you as a person and sexuality is a fundamentally HUGE human drive, that affects and colors just about everything we do.

OK so I lied, I know exactly why guys say that but if I tell you, I'll get one of these:

[Text Removed by Moderator]

So you'll just have to guess.

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Originally Posted by chance1

you've been away too long ......... clearly ;)

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Yeah, I prefer to remember his hotness. You's such a bitch to take that from me.

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Originally Posted by Rolyo85

Old and tired argument. It's not all that defines you but as far as so many fundamental rights go, it's ALL that law and society sees in you, and arguing that there's more to you won't change that one bit.

I am still not clear - was the topic directed at me, or at JB18? I can't see the OP..

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no this is a nonsense thread that was created to bait people to this thread and out of another one.

It was destined to be a purse fight. That's what it was built to intentionally become.

It was about the OP and no one else.

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Originally Posted by BostonPirate

no this is a nonsense thread that was created to bait people to this thread and out of another one.

It was destined to be a purse fight. That's what it was built to intentionally become.

It was about the OP and no one else.

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guess the drink is kicking in

decent and measured BP has morphed into nasty BP

sort of a common occurrence

what it's about is nasty terminology that not oughta be used

because gays for romney isn't remotely close to jews for hitler

not factually

and not reasonably

it was nice for you to be nice earlier

and it clearly wasn't you

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Originally Posted by chance1

guess the drink is kicking in

decent and measured BP has morphed into nasty BP

sort of a common occurrence

what it's about is nasty terminology that not oughta be used

because gays for romney isn't remotely close to jews for hitler

not factually

and not reasonably

it was nice for you to be nice earlier

and it clearly wasn't you

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Do you expect total and utter agreement from everyone in your life at all times to be validated?

I am a guy on the internet that likes to talk to people about politics, for christ sake.

Really buddy. Enough with the whole Drama thing. This thread was a pop off of the other one, and so just let it go.

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

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Originally Posted by BostonPirate

Do you expect total and utter agreement from everyone in your life at all times to be validated?

I am a guy on the internet that likes to talk to people about politics, for christ sake.

Really buddy. Enough with the whole Drama thing. This thread was a pop off of the other one, and so just let it go.

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no i'm just puzzled by the jekyll hyde thing u got working

since u promote the fact that you're drunk often while posting i just figured the morph had a trigger

the thread isn't about me

it's about decorum on the forum

specially jews for hitler

it's pretty simple

and i had let it go then u dropped ur stink bomb

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Originally Posted by BostonPirate

no this is a nonsense thread that was created to bait people to this thread and out of another one.

It was destined to be a purse fight. That's what it was built to intentionally become.

It was about the OP and no one else.

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The other thread was a classical baiting thread.

If a purse is your thing -- I guess that's ok -- I'm not into purses -- I'm a man.

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

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clarity is a good thing no ?

and as usual u position yourself inauthentically above the fray when you're thick in it

stirring

as for centex, i have no idea what his lengthy posts mean 3/4 of the time

but i suspect he views u as i do

but i could be wrong

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^ Well, chance1. You've made it clear how you feel about me, BostonPirate, and others on here. What do you think of centex's response to your thread? You're conspicuously leaving him out of the discussion. And he's the one that actually believes you're a "Jew for Hitler." Is this genuine outrage, or are you really just targeting individual members here?

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Stirring up trouble seems to be a fun thing for you.

You sent several PM's to me saying I'm not a serious person -- you evidently like drama -- promoting a stereotype of gays that continues to haunt gays.

Why not just stop it.

lol

You guys are funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmqP6hStds

Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

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Originally Posted by BostonPirate

lol

You guys are funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nAmqP6hStds

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I like this one better:

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Originally Posted by chance1

the economy is the single most important issue ...... the one that can elevate (or not) the lives of ALL:

whites
blacks
latinos
women
gays
etc.

ALL OF US

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Which is funny for you to say because that's EXACTLY why some Jews voted for Hitler....

All right kiddies, there is already an authority about this, I think it's high time someone enforced,

GODWIN'S LAW

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin%27s_law

LOL

...reducto ad Hitlerum...

Kills me every time

(see what I did there grin)

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

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u don't need to disavow anything JB

was hoping you/some would - and some have - i consider that a good thing

others who haven't and are on record NOT - that's a good thing too

provides .......... clarity

as for centex, he posts war and peace posts that i can't get thru and if i do, i have no idea what he's saying

outrage all day? try being on the non obama voting team

that's outrage all day ...... every day

but ok ok

i thought i had explained my POV re: your "consequences" post a while back and figured that was it

then BP dropped his turd and u followed up with urs

but ok ........ for now

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

Jack, it's against the CoC to reference PMs between members.

I only bring it up, chance1, because you're harping on us on multiple threads and holding us to this critical standard that we need to disavow this "Jews for Hitler" comment in a baiting thread you've started towards an individual member. I've disavowed it. Others have done it. Somehow Centex is exempt from this criticism, and he's the one actually agreeing with the statement? Well, after dealing with your outrage all day, forgive me for kind of getting sick of receiving the brunt end of it.

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You're the one that started it.

^I like to think that I write some pretty good War and Peace posts myself. Guess they don't count. :(

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Originally Posted by chance1

the economy is the single most important issue ...... the one that can elevate (or not) the lives of ALL:

whites
blacks
latinos
women
gays
etc.

ALL OF US

while it is "just one factor" it is the one factor that trumps all

romney was elected governor of the most liberal state in the U.S.

as a republican

how do you explain that?

i explain it as he is a moderate - that he would govern as a moderate

that my rights would not be lessened

that's what I think

as for assuming you and ok for jews for hitler - i assumed nothing - it seemed like with u anything goes - because someone called u a child killer, then somehow someone calling me a hitler voting jew was ok

bottom line and i will leave u with this

the reference "like jews for hitler" is hateful and should not be tolerated

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

Which is funny for you to say because that's EXACTLY why some Jews voted for Hitler....

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i included my whole post vs. your cut/paste bullshit luv

and your "attempt" at gotcha is sad

but it's YOU baby so embrace it

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Originally Posted by Just_Believe18

^I like to think that I write some pretty good War and Peace posts myself. Guess they don't count. :(

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they're just hard to stay with

dropped his turd. Buddy you need to stop. We were here when it went down, and this is just a bitter splinter of something else. Now just because I said in one thread that you had a place here, doesn't mean I intend on pretending to step in line with your beliefs or be accused of wounding you.

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Originally Posted by chance1

your "attempt" at gotcha is sad

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What's sad is that, after all the awful and childish shit you say about posters individually and as a group on a continual basis you get you panties in a bunch over a legitimate ANALOGY and throw a temper tantrum about it like a three year old ALL FUCKING DAY.

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Originally Posted by chance1

but it's YOU baby so embrace it

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I am.

Baiting is the all purpose term for pushing a fight... sometimes so, but other times to point out the hypocrisy on the other side's arguments. The mindset on much of the left, as is the right,(this being predominantly of course a left leaning forum) is the absolutely superiority not only of their values but of their character as people...the other side is pretty much less than fully human, motivated by callous and nasty natures....to be derided and at best condescended down to. I definitely am not the right wing reactionary I'm probably thought of here and I don't expect to be validated nor want to be. But I don't consider those thinking contrary to myself either right or left in themselves bad people because they dont hold my views. I am pro gay rights period....I am supportive of some level of gun control....I am pro-life but I support the rights of women to opt for abortion in cases of rape and incest....a number of other things but I don't pigeonhole those who don't completely share my outlook as villains, or tools. It depends on the person.... yeah, we are talking about politics on the internet. So if it's not totally serious, not life and death why the absolute refusal to seriously venture away from personal biases towards some kind of understanding for other positions not one's own. If you don't give one inch on just about anything, you're taking this as life and death. You don't have to agree with me all that much but to just acknowledge sometimes you don't have all the answers and you could ask a few more questions while you're at it. I know I don't have all the answers....I know I'm not the intellectual equal of many here by far.... I am wrong more than I'd like to admit. I give in to my biases sometimes. Let my temper get the best of me and I'm ALWAYS typing stone cold sober. "Jews for Hitler" may be provocative but it's not provoking. It's shining a light on those who are blind to their own excesses. Truthfully, most every thread is a baiting thread if that is considered to be the reason this thread was created as most point to good guys and villains. Typically liberal vs conservative but sometimes the other way around.

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

What's sad is that, after all the awful and childish shit you say about posters individually and as a group on a continual basis you get you panties in a bunch over a legitimate ANALOGY and throw a temper tantrum about it like a three year old ALL FUCKING DAY.



I am.

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jews for hitler is not a legitimate analogy

and your cut/paste was bullshit - and a cheap shot

and next time don't read shit u don't like - no one is forcing u to

It is a TOTALLYlegitimate analogy. 120% LEGITIMATE. And it must be employed time and time again. Voting republican means one is endorsing evangelicals who control the party... including the Vice President candidate who is vehemently anti-gay in every regard. Jews for Hitler is right on the money. To hell with Godwin's law. This is something far more fucking serious.

Btw, I also support the Jews for Hitler thing. Other than outrage, can someone give a well arguments reason for why the comparison (not its stating but its merit) is wrong?

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Originally Posted by BostonPirate

dropped his turd. Buddy you need to stop. We were here when it went down, and this is just a bitter splinter of something else. Now just because I said in one thread that you had a place here, doesn't mean I intend on pretending to step in line with your beliefs or be accused of wounding you.

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it was over and then u dropped a turd - scroll up to see if u like - or did u forget what u posted? its post 66

and don't expect anything from u - don't want anything from u

just don't say heinous shit

like jews for hitler

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Originally Posted by chance1

jews for hitler is not a legitimate analogy

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Says the arbiter of all analogies.

Some people think it is. You disagree, ergo, what is the point of belaboring further?

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Damn y'all have gotten quick on the draw lately.

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

Says the arbiter of all analogies.

Some people think it is. You disagree, ergo, what is the point of belaboring further?

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Damn y'all have gotten quick on the draw lately.

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you haven't recovered from the dr. drew fat pic ;)

and some things are black & white

I haven't, a cruel thing to do to a boy, that.

A zebra is black and white!

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Originally Posted by chance1

jews for hitler is not a legitimate analogy

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says you.

in fact it's perfectly legitimate.

hitler made his thoughts on jews and their place in society perfectly clear for years prior to winning election in 1933. the nuremburg laws should have been a surprise to absolutely no one, but there were jews who either didn't believe he hated them as much as he claimed, didn't believe he would ever have the power to make good on his wishes, or who put economic resurgence (the "great equalizer") above all else in the false belief that a rising tide lifts all boats. It doesn't.

When someone tells you to your face that you don't deserve the same civil rights that they themselves enjoy. BELIEVE THEM.

You want to support that? Go right ahead, it's your right, but don't expect other people to be congratulatory and full of praise for throwing them under the bus.

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

Says the arbiter of all analogies.

Some people think it is. You disagree, ergo, what is the point of belaboring further?

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or make a thread with it as the title.

the Hot topics people are staring at us.



SSHHHHH

:rotflmao:

...and here we think we're so much more intelligency and meaningful and stuff.

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Originally Posted by Jack Springer

Romney is not hitler.

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Of course he's not Hitler. It is NOT an analogy between Mitt Romney and Hitler, it's an analogy about a group of people knowingly voting against their own interests and supporting a candidate who makes no bones about what he thinks they deserve in society. It's an analogy about a group of people fooling themselves into thinking the candidate can be controlled, doesn't mean it or that other issues are of greater importance.

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Originally Posted by LuvFindsAndyHardy

says you.

in fact it's perfectly legitimate.

hitler made his thoughts on jews and their place in society perfectly clear for years prior to winning election in 1933. the nuremburg laws should have been a surprise to absolutely no one, but there were jews who either didn't believe he hated them as much as he claimed, didn't believe he would ever have the power to make good on his wishes, or who put economic resurgence (the "great equalizer") above all else in the false belief that a rising tide lifts all boats. It doesn't.

When someone tells you to your face that you don't deserve the same civil rights that they themselves enjoy. BELIEVE THEM.

You want to support that? Go right ahead, it's your right, but don't expect other people to be congratulatory and full of praise for throwing them under the bus.

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did u study history? hitler exterminated jews ......... rounded them up ........ took their possessions ........... incinerated them

a couple million of them

you get an F

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Originally Posted by TX-Beau

:rotflmao:

...and here we think we're so much more intelligency and meaningful and stuff.

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lol

I blame FOX news! dammit.

the only hitler that is funny to me. Off subject but . . . you have to pay homage to Mel Brooks best movie maker of all time.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WCUfkMkVbwo

And SPRINGER brings it HOME!!!! ..|