Do we know he's not a douche?
If so, how?
Somehow CF's philosophy is doing something to the guys working there, I can't say what but when your make a product with a shaky stance in today's society (that being 'gay' and 'pornography') then the last thing you want to do is piss off your customers or create a deconstructive approach on human desires. Just because you 'can' make a lot of money with (gay) pornography doesn't make it right to shun all its critics, not when they try to help you improve your business in a somewhat unsupportive world.
I want to believe this thread provides them with enough suggestions and feedback (we now know they read it) but if Mr. Fisher and his crew prefers to see (some of) us as trolls then they shouldn't be surprised if some of us will rather take our money to Mr. Blue or Mr. Cody. At least one of them has loosened its ethic.
But that's the attitude, Corbin's always had this, "The fans are monsters and I'm not going to listen to them" mentality when it comes to dealing with his audience. Maybe after a while, that's not such a good thing (when's Damian coming back for his next scene, eh Mr Fisher?).
Why do they keep spending money on these trips? Aside from "Lucas and Dawson Down Under", they're just gimmicks and don't make the scenes any hotter.
Also, do people even buy DVDs anymore?
I worry that they're using their resources in areas that won't give them much return. There were a few weeks where it actually seemed like they were in a crisis. This week was pretty good though...
RE: the tweets/posts in question
I find that if you speak to everyone in a non-judgmental, non-accusatory tone they tend to respond faster, more kindly and more often. It is when we talk down to the "service providers" like we are owed something that they stop being kind, responsive and helpful and start treating you like you are treating them.
This is porn. Not saving the world, not saving babies or curing cancer. Nobody owes you anything. Treat people like people and they will generally treat you the same. If I were Pete, Corbin or Brian I would stop responding to emails too. Otherwise they just reward your shitty behavior and you continue to think that's how to go about getting what you want.
The trips are not for extra profits. It is to give the guys who work at CF more incentive to stick around, have fun, get something "more" out of working there. They don't charge any extra money on the videos, they're the same CFSelect price as any other. There is not much one can do to make the porn CF produces anything other than what it has been. The excitement used to be college aged straight guys exploring gay sex. We've moved past that now, and the "fans" are not pleased with the results. That's not Corbin's fault, it's the climate - we are no longer shocked by what these guys are willing to do, and they are no longer "ashamed" to be there. Changing the venue is the only way they can shake things up.
The "gimmick" of going to other countries to shoot gay porn is that it is not as accepted in the countries they travel to.
And last. We do not know what really goes on behind the scenes at CF. All we know is what they want us to see. Pete's attic, the videos, even the productions they do "on the farm" and in Costa Rica are not reality. Despite all the complaints, bitching, throwing Corbin, Pete, Brian and the core performers on the shit list that day, week, hour, under the bus, everyone here is still talking, still a member, hell one guy has spent countless hours trying to get his subscription to go through. If CF was such a shithole of a company wouldn't we all have gone away by now? They're doing something right.
Yet neither seem to significantly effect their overall customer basis. For instance:
They're both stagnant. Perhaps the majority of their customers are simply interested in shooting their load, and couldn't give a shit about the finer details of either studio?
Diddy treats women like crap and has a nasty attitude, but we all still buy his clothes and albums. Nicki Minaj has lost her ever loving mind but yet shes still popular. The Kartrashians and Jersey Whore cast have no value to the world and yet they are millionaires and popular. Lets get it real people will still buy it no matter what, no fault to them, but it doesnt excuse their attitude. Stop making it seem like CF is the poor innocent one here, we've seen how real their "attitude" has been for the past 2 years, so I really could not care less about how they "feel" or who they feel is "trolling".
And Pete of all people, oh please. In reality they just dont like hearing anything bad about their "company". When its constant praise and adornment everything is beautiful, but if shit slips up and everyone starts talking about another site the "fans" are at fault. We all know this is the attitude CF has had for a while so please spare us.
Dammit now Im trolling!!!!
There I was having a fine week reading the board (the Umpire billing adventures had me on the edge of my seat, I hope for a happy ending for him after all the suggestions and well wishes that came his way on the thread). I was also becoming jealous of all those glowing reviews and contemplating which subscriptions to kill to rejoin CF and then that happened
If you can't differentiate between criticising and trolling : reading the internetz, you're doing it wrong.
I don't get the hate from Excelsior at all : yes, stats is going to air your dirty laundry from time to time but there are no personal attacks on the personnel or the models contrary to all the other blogs. I like it here because everyone seems so well behaved.
Taking potshots at a commenter for typos (which I always take those as people using a tablet or a smartphone rather than a computer) when the write-ups your company provides have become a joke : calling the kettle black, you're doing it right.
The person at CF who suggested that more physical stock overheads were a smart move in this economy should really spend more time calling fans names on the webs because that would actually be more valuable for the company.
Time for some spring cleaning at the warehouse to make some space for those DVDs!
If Starbucks customer service fell off and their coffee started tasting like old shoes would you still go in to the shops and scream about how shitty their coffee and customer service is?
I agree that showing disdain for your fans is bad for business, though I'm more amused that Pete calls this forum his email.
^^^^^^No, it's about posters/tweeters who may be taken out of context by people (in this case, Pete) who don't correspond with the poster/tweeter & just see one post, & don't really know the background of said tweet/post.
of all these sites, randy blue has always been the most like 'traditional' gay porn. they never really emphasized the amateur college dude bro thing -- more WEHO muscle Marys. as they get slicker, both cf and sc are becoming more like randy blue, which is why i preferred the other sites. growing up, i would say i jerked off to A&F catalogs more than anything else. SC and especially CF caught the spirit of those models. Randy Blue's were more like 'International Jock' models -- too much of a good thing.
that said, there are lots of Randy Blue models who I truly love: Chip Tanner, Gabriel, Jake Andrews, etc., and if we include the live shows, Dylan Roberts.
I think Pete tweeted because it was so laughable.
We have talked about what kind of future ex-porn models such as CF's may have. Here's an interesting item about a guy who is being outed for porn he did forty years ago! Amazing. It'll be interesting to see what happens to him. Nothing, I hope.
I quit CF a while back, because IMO the quality of the models fell way off. I visit this board out of nostalgia for a site that was so much better than it is now.
But since it's Twitter, a 140 letter-cap can turn you into an SMess.
Phunk, a serious word; your grammar has been lacking. I do not approve. :mad:
This guy can't stay straight forever: "he on honey dew hath fed . . . "
I have a serious bulge fetish. Those slings that push the package forward are a stroke of genius. would love to see Dawson's big balls in one.
Randy Blue/Andrew Christian: does Ben/Jake Andrews/Mile Olson look like the second cumming of Jeremy Penn or what?
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Well, guys, Bonnie from Netbilling never got back to me yesterday, and the underlying problem still remains. :(
^^ You certainly deserve an "A" for perseverance. Hopefully, your effort will be rewarded with a resolution to the problem. I'm betting that when one of Netbilling's tech guys looks at it, they will be able to look at a couple of logs and figure out the problem. (It won't surprise me if it takes until Monday before they look at it.) I'm really curious to hear whether it's a Netbilling, cf, your bank, or some part of the visa system that is the source of the problem.
It wouldn't be a VISA issue, because the problem occurs with my MasterCard as well. One VISA, one debit VISA, & one MasterCard, all with the same problem, but all with bank-verified, correct information being entered by me.
You are Damned right.It's as if we should be grateful to be able join their site and should not complain about anything. Just shut your hole and juts be damned lucky!!!
My experience with them shows just how bad it is dealing with them concerning issues. It's not a good sign when customer. service doesn't even attempt to solve the issue. I mean just sitting in front of the computer doing the absolute best they can to he;p resolve the issue speaks volumes about the people they contract to take care of this part of their business. If people are not able to use Netbilling then THEY are losing money which I would think they would want to patch up that leaky hole, to make money and not lose it.
If you still have the issue PM me.
As far as Pete is concerned the way he handled things was tacky and just rude. If you have an issue with a poster then take it up with that poster. Attacking people on a site and on a certain forum there seems to be a problem distinguishing between a clever and witty response and basically shitting on a Forum, The Topic of CF and the members who at some point or another are die hard fans and Members on ACM/ACS sites and those same people who pay additionally pay for videos not on those cites but rather ON CFS.
This kinda of reminds me of Jasun. If Pete isn't a share-holder or BF or BFF of CF then he shouldn't start treating people like shit. If people don't like what was posted then, bring up the issue if you feel you need to do so, but to make others look or feel bad when they were not repeating the guys post or anyone agreeing with him is just wrong.
I for one didn't lose my shit when he posted that post to twitter. But, I guess since there seem to be so many people kissing Pete's ass he feels entitled to slam entire forums. Funny, how people who work for other's and represent the company they work for in such a divisive and nasty way. Not cool at all and just vindictive. He could have tried to help NCAA since so many people are talking about it and at the least figure out why the OP feels like Pete is pissing in his Wheaties every morning.
P.P.S Pete, don't let the hype go to your head.
I do not work for CF - in my experience when I spoke with the support team in a well-mannered, non-name-calling way and simply explained my issue they resolved it. Within 24 hours. No muss, no fuss.
Nobody asked you to revere CF and treat the company with awe. But the thing is, you already do treat them that way. Which is why you freak the fuck out when they don't act like you expect them to. Hate to break this to you but the people who work at Corbin Fisher are human beings. Not gods, not miracle workers, and not celebrities. Again, just because they are not inviting you to participate in email friendships and treating you like you rule the world doesn't make them less of a company. You pay for 2 (or more) guys fucking on camera 2x a week and a solo 1x a week. Which they deliver. And then some.
And my point stands. The company is doing fine. Just because the product changed due to the difference in the guys they are bringing in - less 'aw shucks a dick in my ass, why I just couldn't imagine' to 'ya sure I'm up for it' - not CF's fault. As a society we are changing our views about "gay." If CF brings in guys who act like they're not into gay sex they get lambasted. If they bring in guys who are a little more femme but totally down for the gay stuff, they get lambasted. They bring in guys who are up for whatever, they get lambasted.
These guys cannot win for anything here, and yet you still cannot understand why they won't return emails and talk to you guys like you're owed something. There's nothing they can do to please you.
Stop trying to enter your address 100 different ways. The system is going to continue to freak out because you have been trying too many times and getting a security kick back message. The more you continue to do this the more the system will think you are a fraudulent person trying to get passed their security measures.
Get over yourself.
But you're exactly right. It feels like Corbin's (long established) contempt for his audience has filtered down to Pete and the rest of the staff.
(to be honest, I sometimes get the impression that Pete's just towing the company line just for the sake of impressing his boss. Particularly the, "Check out this person selling pirated DVDs. SHE'S AN EVIL MONSTER WHO SHOULD BE TARRED AND FEATHERED" thing. It just screamed of Corbin's puppet strings, you know?)
But you're going to tell us that hiring a neo-Nazi is a classic indication of Making Good Business Decisions, right? No offense, but I disagree.
Speaking of civilized, I really debated on bringing up the Pete tweet, but in the end decided he should be called out for lambasting the entire thread, instead of the one post that he had an issue with. I think he's an OK guy, I just think he's like other people I know; if you don't think like him and agree with him, you're stupid, ignorant, or crazy.
And haven't we seen Chandler and Kent? Or does it just seem like it?
Anyway. Now that Pete thinks I'm a troll who complains all the time...
There are a couple of scenes lately that I really, really liked.
The Trey/Chandler scene, firstly. The sex was a bit rougher than what I'm normally into (but hey, the guys were having a good time). I liked the premise (as the write-up hinted, if only a CF model showed up every time you were looking at porn). But mostly, I liked the hair-styles. I know I've never been a huge fan of Chandler, and while I still don't think he's the most handsome guy in the room ... I love his shorter hair. It's not as long as it used to be, and I really like it, I think it really suits him. He looks great. Also, Trey's new hair is incredibly sexy. I liked that too.
Secondly, the Aiden/Chandler "Under the Sheets" scene (I know, two Chandler scenes). Aiden topping FTW. Again, Chandler's shorter hair is a good look on him. More to the point, this scene was great because of the sense of realism. It felt like two hot guys woke up horny, and decided to have a quicky before breakfast. And the sheets as a prop -- it worked! I loved the part where they're going at it missionary style, and Aiden pulls the sheets up to his waist. The camera-person had to focus on the two guys kissing and making out, while Chandler's legs are locked around Aiden's waist. That was great.
(I also liked the shot of Aiden going down on Chandler under the sheets, because it looked like Chandler's dick was larger than Aiden's head. Hehehe)
I liked the scene so much, I think I prefer it when Chandler bottoms. I know, he's hung like a Brontosaurus so he's the Power Top, but I think I enjoy the shift of taking a power-top, and having him on the receiving end (and it's not like Aiden isn't similarly well-endowed).
I have been reading this thread for over 5 years (I have been a JUB member off and on for those years), and I have been a CF member equally as long. I do not always enjoy the videos, there are many guys you all love here and I do not like at all (Aiden, formerly Cain but he grew on me). I do pay attention to what goes on in here.
In that time I have been called cunt, bitch, told gay porn is not made for me and I should go away or better yet, die. Told I smell. Asked to take Midol. If you think posting a picture of tampons is going to make me bow down and cry and admit defeat because my difference of opinion could not possibly be right, you're wrong. I don't need to be right. I am voicing my opinion on an open forum just like everyone else.
But, when you resort to name-calling and pointing out that my gender is different than yours, it's time to walk away. I never resorted to that. I pointed out things I have seen and never pointed fingers in anyone's direction.
I'm different than you. Congratulations on being closed-minded enough to call me out on it and stoop to using my gender as the reason why I couldn't possibly have a cohesive opinion about CF and the situation I am seeing in front of me.
Point taken :)
Sounds like it might be time for an umpire to step in here. ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by stacy
Stacy, it has nothing to do with your gender. It's all about your shitty attitude.
Can we please stop this shit and get back to topic?