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BiMarriedGuy
July 5th, 2006, 02:21 PM
Do you think nudity between fathers and sons is natural, healthy, or should it be considered as something immoral? I'm curious about your opinion.

TheTrish
July 5th, 2006, 02:33 PM
Hi, BMG! ;) Where are the pics so we can offer an informed opinion? LOL

T

BiMarriedGuy
July 5th, 2006, 02:38 PM
Hi, BMG! ;) Where are the pics so we can offer an informed opinion? LOL

T

u made me laugh!

buzzj
July 5th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Do you think nudity between fathers and sons is natural, healthy, or should it be considered as something immoral? I'm curious about your opinion.

My answer would depend 100% on the circumstances! I can see it a healthy or inmoral... depending on the situation!

diri
July 5th, 2006, 02:47 PM
Right on! There's a difference between nudity and sex. So I'd say nudity in se between family members is ok. Most families in Europe think so.

tiler
July 5th, 2006, 02:50 PM
When I was first learning to shower my father and I showered together. He taught me how to wash properly. Now have I ever had a "thing" for my dad. No way! Not my type!

JDsmagik
July 5th, 2006, 02:51 PM
Yeah! Where are the pics?
This is the adult content area, not a fucking psyc discussion! :grrr:

CGHJ
July 5th, 2006, 02:54 PM
It used to be perfectly natural...back in the day when males being naked around each other was perfectly natural.

In fact, here's a vintage pic from back in the day, It's Father-Son-Uncle in this pic. This pic was taken out of an online fambly album, so no one even thought twice about the content. Every year this fambly would go camping in the Catskills, and all the men would go hiking and skinny-dipping together.

Skinnydipping guys (http://www.justusboys.com/members/blog.php?u=71276&e=8291)

Of course, it's all based on current standards...and there was a lot less awareness of predators back then too...so much more to worry about these days.

Passiveboy
July 6th, 2006, 04:18 AM
Was brought up a naturist by my parents dont see any thing wrong with it at very healthy

pjlikesporn
July 6th, 2006, 11:58 AM
My Dad and I used to skinnydip all the time when we were hiking or at our lakehouse. Not only do I find it completely normal--but I would also find it disturbing if someone found it immoral for a father and son to see each other naked.

As an aside, wouldn't puberty completely freak you out if you had never seen your father naked? I mean, where's all this hair coming from?

ds_writr
July 6th, 2006, 12:02 PM
Do you think nudity between fathers and sons is natural, healthy, or should it be considered as something immoral? I'm curious about your opinion.


I think it all depends upon what it is they're doing while naked together.

:D

Gaymeral
July 6th, 2006, 12:14 PM
IT definitely depends on the circumstance. I seen my dad nude, and he me. Nothing ever 'came up' that is where it gets into dangerous territory.

mustangman43
July 6th, 2006, 12:24 PM
I saw my dad naked several times, camping, swimming etc. Totally natural. Have scene my nephew naked as well similar reasons, when he was 7 I stayed at there house in his room and he never wore undies, totally funny one morning I woke up to nsnyc's "tearin up my heart" nephew's dancing naked to it...HILARIOUS! Another morning he wanted to get me out of bed so he hops up on top of me, (there were blankets between us) and wouldn't get off till I promised to get up. I thought then as I do now, his and all childrens bodies are beautiful, but NOT sexually. it's no big deal unless you make it one.

pjlikesporn
July 6th, 2006, 12:43 PM
In contrast, how would anyone react if they found out that Blanket Jackson and parent Michael regularly swam naked together?

mad4u85
July 6th, 2006, 03:13 PM
I have never seen an adult man naked in person. :cry: Only saw my buddies when we were all little.

Mako247
July 6th, 2006, 07:33 PM
if memory serves correctly that was a set with son father and grandfather from playgirl in the 70s

harristate
July 6th, 2006, 08:19 PM
if memory serves correctly that was a set with son father and grandfather from playgirl in the 70sThat's right. It's wierd but I hadn't seen that pic in years and was thinking of it when I started reading this thread! I remember it from either the very late '70's or early '80's. I still think the son in the middle is hot. I wonder where they are now...

aznaznazn7
July 6th, 2006, 08:37 PM
^^ anyone got the text or more pics from that article?

Wonder101
July 6th, 2006, 09:26 PM
Interesting Topic!Hey whatever floats your boat and tickles your pickle!:-) Oh and if you like father/son stuff you might want to check out art by Josman,his stuff can't be put on this site but his site features some erotic father/son artwork to say the least.

wanderer
July 7th, 2006, 01:38 AM
in my case, i dont think my dad would be mature enough to handle the situation. i can totally see him saying to me "jees son, you sure grew a big dick, just like your old man?" and having anybody within earshot hear the same thing. i wish my upbringing would have been more open and normal so that i would feel what the rest of you feel about it....which is "nothing".

TheTrish
July 8th, 2006, 02:58 PM
u made me laugh!

Hi, BMG! ;) Good. You got some seriouos replys, I just added a lighter touch.

(!)

T

TheTrish
July 8th, 2006, 03:06 PM
in my case, i dont think my dad would be mature enough to handle the situation. i can totally see him saying to me "jees son, you sure grew a big dick, just like your old man?" and having anybody within earshot hear the same thing. i wish my upbringing would have been more open and normal so that i would feel what the rest of you feel about it....which is "nothing".

Hi, wand! ;) That sounds pretty funny, what do you think he should say?

E-mail me, if you'd like.

T

Zuirech
July 8th, 2006, 03:11 PM
As a child, as a teenager, I never knew what a man looked like. I knew what a woman looked like. I could see sneaked copies of Playboy, Mayfair et al. But I never knew what a man looked like, naked.

I wish my father had been open enough to be comfortable being naked around me. He wasn't. I guess he was repressed.

Therefore, when my children were young, I was totally oblivious to nudity. For me, for them, it was natural. But the fact is that once they reach a certain age they neither want to be seen naked; nor do they want to see their parents naked. You have to judge when that is.

Still, when I sunbathe on a beach, if it's discreet, this daddy will be nude.

pjlikesporn
July 8th, 2006, 04:16 PM
For those of you who think it's a good thing for dad and son to be nude together (in proper circumstances, etc.), does your opinion change when you're talking about a gay dad and an underage son. For me, that would never be a sexual situation, but I could see others saying that I, a gay man, should never be nude with my son.

TheTrish
July 10th, 2006, 02:51 PM
For those of you who think it's a good thing for dad and son to be nude together (in proper circumstances, etc.), does your opinion change when you're talking about a gay dad and an underage son. For me, that would never be a sexual situation, but I could see others saying that I, a gay man, should never be nude with my son.

Hi, pj! ;) As long as there is no erecton, I don't see any pronlem.

T

diri
July 11th, 2006, 01:44 AM
For those of you who think it's a good thing for dad and son to be nude together (in proper circumstances, etc.), does your opinion change when you're talking about a gay dad and an underage son. For me, that would never be a sexual situation, but I could see others saying that I, a gay man, should never be nude with my son.

Of course that would be wrong! You wouldn't want a straight woman to be naked in the presence of her underage son, would you?

With the sexual morals of some countries evolving as they are, I think this century may see the day when those countries criminalize breastfeeding.

pjlikesporn
July 11th, 2006, 04:39 AM
Of course that would be wrong! You wouldn't want a straight woman to be naked in the presence of her underage son, would you?

With the sexual morals of some countries evolving as they are, I think this century may see the day when those countries criminalize breastfeeding.
On the first point, does that mean you would approve more of a lesbian being around her underage son? Why do you make your point so emphatically in terms of sexual orientation and not at all in terms of gender? If we're talking about young children, I would think sexuality should be far less of a concern.

I really don't know where you're going with the breast-feeding issue.

But I do sincerely appreciate your input.

Bi Married Male
July 11th, 2006, 06:38 AM
I hope this picture link works...

http://sfpix.net/new/2006-07-07/post_29798_1146388554.jpg

slobone
July 11th, 2006, 06:49 AM
I hope this picture link works...

http://sfpix.net/new/2006-07-07/post_29798_1146388554.jpg

Nope. Password required.

mwmdescrete
July 11th, 2006, 07:54 AM
My father dies when I was 2 but my step dad would always change in front of me and he even showed me that jacking off was a cool thing to do at an early age and I , to this day as glad he :sex:

BiMarriedGuy
July 11th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Thank you, guys! I appreciate all your answers. In my case, my father is very prude and I have seen him naked maybe twice in my whole life, always accidentally. Now, I’m trying not to make it a big deal in my relationship with my son. So, it seems to be a time for everything, and some nudity can be normal.

drsss379
July 11th, 2006, 10:03 PM
my dad and i are completely comfortable with nudity. i was just raised to appreciate the body, both male and female. and sex is casual. it's a party of life. as is masturbation, which was highlhy encouraged because of its way of not ending up with a baby and a bill-pile.

TKNAKED
July 12th, 2006, 06:21 PM
When my son was around 10 I talked to him about the fact that I like to be naked. He didn't have a problem with it as long as the blinds were closed :) ... there was no sexual tension between us. We went camping at a nude beach many tmes with other friends. I never pressured him to be naked ... of course as a teen, he didn't at the beach ... but he had no problem with others around him .. male and female being nude.

I hoped that I was teaching him that the human body was beautiful ... no matter what shape or size and that there was no reason to be ashamed of it.

I firmly believe that if Americans were more liberal with nudity ... it would no be such a thrill to see someone naked just to fuck them.

My one and only time seeing my dad naked ... my only thought was "I hope mine grows up bigger than his"

diri
July 12th, 2006, 11:38 PM
On the first point, does that mean you would approve more of a lesbian being around her underage son? Why do you make your point so emphatically in terms of sexual orientation and not at all in terms of gender? If we're talking about young children, I would think sexuality should be far less of a concern.

I really don't know where you're going with the breast-feeding issue.

But I do sincerely appreciate your input.

Did anybody else miss my sarcasm? Of course I think it's normal for a woman to breastfeed her son and be naked in his presence, even if she happens to be straight! So I also think it's normal for a guy dad to be naked with his kids! What I mean is I don't understand how people like you can even ASK the question whether it is acceptable for parents to be naked with their kids! Of course it is! It's as natural as breastfeeding.

Caution
July 13th, 2006, 08:48 AM
It depends on how you look at it. Sexually is disgusting, but over 18 is their bussiness, just your naked akward or we have the same thing is not problem.
IMO I wouldnt be naked in front of any family memeber but To some people its okay.

amateurkinky
July 13th, 2006, 09:02 AM
My father and I used to bath together till I started to grow pubic hair

After that I only see him naked once when he was going to have a major operation, he was totally shaved too. But I was too busy worrying about his health, can't remember anything visual.

I think family members whom comfortable with each other naked, of course no sexual elements involved, are tend to be more close, more bonded.

And it might sounds wierd, even freaks somebody out. But my mum is also not afraid of the whole nudity thing. She changes cloth in their bedroom leave the door open sometimes , or even talk to me when I pass by. There were times she asked to unzip her dress coz the stupid zipper stuck, and my dad was not around to serve her majesty. I even got to buckle her poorly-designed bra once or two. And I consider my family normal and happy.

CRIck76
July 13th, 2006, 05:23 PM
My parents frequently took me with them to the nude beach in New Jersey when i was growing up. Nudity was never a big deal. I never had any sexual feelings for anyone in my family. my partner and I have already discussed that when we adopt we want to make sure our children do not have issues with nudity.

The first time I went to the nude beach with my folks i was 12 or 13. I wore my speedo, because I was shy. The only thing was, i felt like I was the only one around wearing a swim suit (looking back atht e photos my folks smapped on the vacation, I wasn't) Anyway, being (as I felt) the only one clothed, i was worried. I asked my folks if i was allowed to take my speedo off, and they explained that it was up to me to decide, and it was perfectly ok to wear a swim suit, and it was perfectly ok to not, but that no one could make the decision for me. It was a great lesson in life. i want to make sure my child learns the same thing -- that the body is nothing to be ashamed of but you don't have to show it to anyone you don't want to.

Cheers

frankie_hilary
July 17th, 2006, 12:14 PM
I would not like to see my father naked. Seen him once and couldn't sleep for weeks. I see my mom all the time because she always leaves the bathroom door open and her room. I always freak. My dad closes the door but not the bathroom. I guess i am just a screative child. When i was little i wasn't though. Lol i would just sit on the couch watching tv naked. hmm yea well now i am like freaked out if my rants see me or if i see them.

HazeMaster
July 17th, 2006, 01:09 PM
It used to be perfectly natural...back in the day when males being naked around each other was perfectly natural.

In fact, here's a vintage pic from back in the day, It's Father-Son-Uncle in this pic. This pic was taken out of an online fambly album, so no one even thought twice about the content. Every year this fambly would go camping in the Catskills, and all the men would go hiking and skinny-dipping together.

Skinnydipping guys (http://www.justusboys.com/members/blog.php?u=71276&e=8291)

Of course, it's all based on current standards...and there was a lot less awareness of predators back then too...so much more to worry about these days.

Once saw a documentary that included footage from home movies taken by the Russian Royal Family while on vacation. All of the men and boys went skinny dipping together--two, possibly even 3 generations of bare assed Romanoffs.

sw22br
July 21st, 2006, 10:51 AM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html

TheTrish
July 21st, 2006, 03:46 PM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html

Hi, sw2! ;) That was HOT! LOL Why did they make that vid? I wanted to see more, and I don't even like gay porn. !oops!

T

Michael Luc
July 21st, 2006, 04:00 PM
I'll go with natural and healthy if the situation is natural and healthy. For example, if a father is changing in a locker room with his son at the Y.

johnbear1981
July 23rd, 2006, 02:25 PM
I would love to suck my dads uncut cock. Or i would power through the butt fuck. Anything to make my dad happy. I often think about me sucking my dad off. Or jacking him off. Anyone know what i mean?

Zuirech
July 23rd, 2006, 04:15 PM
I would love to suck my dads uncut cock. Or i would power through the butt fuck. Anything to make my dad happy. I often think about me sucking my dad off. Or jacking him off. Anyone know what i mean?

You're having a laugh. You are, right?

Bi Married Male
July 25th, 2006, 11:04 PM
Whats a thread without good pictures...

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/albums/userpics/10001/HPIM0784.JPG

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/albums/userpics/10001/HPIM0820.JPG (http://javascript<b></b>:;)

TheTrish
July 26th, 2006, 02:08 PM
Whats a thread without good pictures...

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/albums/userpics/10001/HPIM0784.JPG

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/albums/userpics/10001/HPIM0820.JPG (http://javascript<b></b>:;)




(!) Good old BMM! (!)

Andreus
July 26th, 2006, 02:19 PM
this thread is taking a disturbing turn

OrangeBlood
July 28th, 2006, 10:52 AM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html


wow this is great! howold is this son?
he has a bayface and so hairy body!
hgreat dad and son!

caliboy88
July 28th, 2006, 04:54 PM
I dont know. Ive never been a fan of father/son nudity.
I mean when you're younger its ok.. but as you get older.. thats where i draw the line.. then it just gets kinda weird..

i would say maybe up to the age of 4/5 its acceptable but older than that.. that just gets weird.

I know i would never want to get naked in front of my dad !

flixelblix
July 29th, 2006, 01:33 PM
I'm a Pagan nudist, my son has seen me nude in the back yard many times during the summer months and he's been to the nudist parks and nude swims with me. There is a big difference between nudism and sex.

gaywill19
July 30th, 2006, 01:28 AM
i think as long as no one makes a big deal out if it its fine, people were created nude and meant to live like that i think so as long as the person being naked doesnt think that being nude is anything to even think about then its ok, but if they think walking around naked is hot and sexual and think its hot their son seeing them naked then its wrong, but other then that unless the son is uncomfortable and says stop it then its ok in my book

OrionNorthFL
July 30th, 2006, 02:23 PM
Whats a thread without good pictures...

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:eek:

Hey wait a minute!! That's me, lol!!! (Not my dad blowing me... but he technically could be my dad age-wise, lol)

sw22br
July 30th, 2006, 06:55 PM
Kaike must be on his twenties now. They did this video for a gay oriented magazine called G-Magazine. The dad, Matheus, poses a lot for this mag.

TheTrish
August 1st, 2006, 02:10 PM
Kaike must be on his twenties now. They did this video for a gay oriented magazine called G-Magazine. The dad, Matheus, poses a lot for this mag.

Hi, sw2! ;) Thanks for the HOT word. :twisted:

T

carpe_fate
August 1st, 2006, 09:58 PM
Originally Posted by Bi Married Male
Whats a thread without good pictures...

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/alb...1/HPIM0784.JPG

http://www.olderbuds.com/picpost/alb...1/HPIM0820.JPG
That younger guy has the hottest legs!! I love smooth, muscular legs, especially the calves. (Not freakishly muscled legs, like of body builders, more like soccer players, etc.) There used to be a thread devoted to calves... anyone have some good pics to start one? I'll be keeping a look out ;-)

sputtnick
August 2nd, 2006, 05:27 PM
There is nothing wrong with Nudity. As long as nothing sexual happens between a father-son. I love to be naked when i have kids i am not going to stop walking around the house naked. I am going to encourge my kids to do the same because again nothing wrong with being nude.

uncutmuscleboston
August 12th, 2006, 01:33 PM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html

Thanks for posting this hot video sw22br
The dad is hot and so is the son ...the one thing I noticed is that the dad seems to be more hung than the son...
nice cocks both of them too

any more?

Zuirech
August 12th, 2006, 04:08 PM
I'd do the father. He's just so much hotter.

allmaleguy69
August 13th, 2006, 06:42 PM
Damn, that was one HOT vid! Love to see more of these two!

NongreasySweatproof
August 14th, 2006, 12:30 PM
I'll bet most of the people who think nudity around family members is at all weird are North Americans and other Anglo-Saxons. If you said this to almost any continental European, or a non-Muslim Asian, they'd think you were crazy. If you ask me, what's weird or disturbing is when people automatically equate nudity with sexuality. If I were more judgmental, I'd say that you'd have to be a little perverted to even THINK that there's some kind of linkage between mere nudity and sexuality. I think North American culture is seriously a little warped in this respect. It weirds me out how our former Atty. General (Ashcroft) felt the need to cover the bosoms of nude statues, or why people object to men wearing speedos, etc.

Growing up, my mom would work in the garden topless, and my dad and I bathed together, and the thought of it being wrong or unnatural never even crossed my mind. To this day, we still sometimes walk around in our underwear. I also don't get those guys who feel the need to cover up even when they're in the changing room or whatever. It's all about context. The sight of a bare human body isn't at all erotic or titillating (no pun intended) to me, unless the context makes it so.

dramonmaster222
August 14th, 2006, 12:57 PM
THere is a huge difference between nudity and sex. It's possible to be naked and not be aroused by someone.

NongreasySweatproof
August 14th, 2006, 01:12 PM
Exactly. People can be so much hotter with their clothes on. The sight of genitalia is completely unerotic, anyway. Some people might have a thing for genitals, but it's not passion I share. Not that there's anything WRONG with that . . .

educa
August 22nd, 2006, 09:03 PM
My wife and I have raised our children to be comfortable with their nakedness. Since they have seen us naked all their lives, it is only natural for them being naked around us. My son is 18 and my daughter is 16, and they are both pretty much naked all the time. I even taught my children how to masturbate when they were sexually ready, and they feel comfortable masturbating in front of us. So, I feel that my children have grown up a lot more confident by feeling natural about nakedness and watching their parents naked...

gaywill19
August 22nd, 2006, 09:24 PM
educa
that is disgusting
i could have dealt with u saying ur naked all the time, but masturbating in front of eachother is just messed up and wrong, thats not even close to being a nudist, its being a pervert

cool123
August 22nd, 2006, 11:17 PM
Nothing against nudity...but masterbating in the presence of each other is a little bit too far...

At least i think so...

ocflboi
August 22nd, 2006, 11:44 PM
Yeah, that's pretty nasty dude!!! I couldn't even imagine doing that in the presents of a family member, let alone being taught that by one. That's the major unwritten rule of "family nudity = gross!" Maybe that sorta $hit flew like 200 years ago in another country or something, but definitly not now. I realy don't care too much for the "idea" of Father/Son porn either, but that's just about the only Older/Younger material I can find. I love older men and that category is always good for my partener and I. He loves to see the twink getting pounded and I love to watch the man that's giving it to him!

pabs1903
August 23rd, 2006, 05:18 PM
I would'nt dare be naked in front of any of my family:O

HazeMaster
August 23rd, 2006, 05:49 PM
I would'nt dare be naked in front of any of my family:O

Why? :confused: :confused: :confused:

1RadPony
August 23rd, 2006, 06:06 PM
Nudity of course is acceptable, or should be. Anyone whom has a problem with it is viewing it as sexuality, and that is wrong. The human body both male and female is a beautiful thing and should be viewed as such.

My father never created an odd situation/space if he was showing the full monte, but covered himself appropriately. Hence if people are stripped - I feel fine showing it all, but if there are prudes present, I kinda hold back, even if some are naked.

GaiBoi
August 25th, 2006, 05:42 PM
Well, I was disgusted by my father walking around the house naked all the time when I was 15-16, and would always turn away if my mother was undressing. I respected by mothers privacy, and I hated my father and didn't like to look at him with clothing on, let alone off. I would never be naked in front of my family, or anybody else, even if it's just my shirt off. I'm incredibly uncomfortable being nude. If other people are open with it, then that's their choice, I don't see anything wrong with it, I envy them for their ability to be comfortable nude, i wish I could!

blackbeltninja
August 26th, 2006, 03:37 PM
I dont know. Ive never been a fan of father/son nudity.
I mean when you're younger its ok.. but as you get older.. thats where i draw the line.. then it just gets kinda weird..

i would say maybe up to the age of 4/5 its acceptable but older than that.. that just gets weird.

I know i would never want to get naked in front of my dad !

Surely, though, at some age you just get over it and it's like taking a shower at the gym?

I mean, surely once you hit your 20s or so you have what you have and everyone knows its there and there's no need to be freaked out anymore.

Having said that, .za boys of all ages are unbelievably shy about showering at the gym. I know guys in their 30s who are too shy to get changed in a locker room.

-d-

HazeMaster
August 26th, 2006, 03:57 PM
Surely, though, at some age you just get over it and it's like taking a shower at the gym?

I mean, surely once you hit your 20s or so you have what you have and everyone knows its there and there's no need to be freaked out anymore.

Having said that, .za boys of all ages are unbelievably shy about showering at the gym. I know guys in their 30s who are too shy to get changed in a locker room.

-d-

Graduate students should get research grants for PhDs on this subject

I grew up in Nu Yawk in the 1950s and all the guys I knew went to the Y with their Dad and\or changed and showered with their Dad in the men's dressing rooms at Jones Beach and no one ever thought about it

Obviously other men grew up in different environments where communal nudity in showers and locker rooms was not that common.

Like Blackbeltninja, I've known adult men who arrive at the gym in their workout clothes and leave the gym in their workout clothes and never use the locker room or showers.

I'm a Jewish, ethnic, Nu Yawk, baby boomer

What are the backgrounds of the other guys who post about this fascinating topic?

blooeyz
August 26th, 2006, 06:06 PM
there isn't anything wrong with being naked in front of your kids if that is how you are and there isn't anythign wrong with being modest either. Everyone is different and has their own boundries.

sw22br
August 26th, 2006, 09:00 PM
One day in school, I heard that in the ancient greek civilization, fathers used to teach their sons and initiate them into their sexuality and they had sexual relations. I'm curious to know more about this subject, maybe someone can contribute with info?

onething
August 26th, 2006, 10:00 PM
Mainly in Sparta, all of the men who were in the army, which was almost all of them, were paired up with someone else. Usually it was an older man with a younger boy. They would do everything together, and participate in homosexual activites. This was encouraged as to build companionship in them and make then fight with more passion in battle.

Chance1826
August 29th, 2006, 12:10 AM
Surely, though, at some age you just get over it and it's like taking a shower at the gym?

I mean, surely once you hit your 20s or so you have what you have and everyone knows its there and there's no need to be freaked out anymore.

Having said that, .za boys of all ages are unbelievably shy about showering at the gym. I know guys in their 30s who are too shy to get changed in a locker room.

-d-

^Exactly...

I love to be nude...I have absolutely nothing holding me back..

While growing up my father always walked naked in the home,on the property, to answer the door, and even sit naked with some company... I see absolutely nothing wrong with being nude. I was raised that way and so will my kids...

When at the gym..I walk around in the lockroom nude everyday..why not? I certainly am not ashamed of what I got..and I have no probelm with handling my nudity.

Being nude is a wonderful thing...I wish we could work and go out this way, it would be much easier..

Chance1826
August 29th, 2006, 12:21 AM
Graduate students should get research grants for PhDs on this subject

I grew up in Nu Yawk in the 1950s and all the guys I knew went to the Y with their Dad and\or changed and showered with their Dad in the men's dressing rooms at Jones Beach and no one ever thought about it

Obviously other men grew up in different environments where communal nudity in showers and locker rooms was not that common.

Like Blackbeltninja, I've known adult men who arrive at the gym in their workout clothes and leave the gym in their workout clothes and never use the locker room or showers.

I'm a Jewish, ethnic, Nu Yawk, baby boomer

What are the backgrounds of the other guys who post about this fascinating topic?

Yes, I believe a lot the guys coming dressed to the gyma dn never taking showers...probably have some issue with being naked. Most likely it has to due with the penis size complex and their insecurities with their own size (growers). I am a grower but my flaccid size is a little over 7". I would probably be insecure also if I was a grower with a smaller flaccid size or was not raaised in an environment that displayed nudity....

pjlikesporn
August 29th, 2006, 07:48 AM
Yes, I believe a lot the guys coming dressed to the gyma dn never taking showers...probably have some issue with being naked. Most likely it has to due with the penis size complex and their insecurities with their own size (growers). I am a grower but my flaccid size is a little over 7". I would probably be insecure also if I was a grower with a smaller flaccid size or was not raaised in an environment that displayed nudity....

Just to give some added perspective:

I love being nude. At home in private. At the locker room. At the beach. I'm also the guy who ends every party by stripping completely nekkid. Yeah--that guy.

But I also don't shower at the gym. Not because I don't want to be nude in public--far from it. I leave in my gym clothes because it takes me over an hour to stop sweating. I could take a shower at the gym, but I would just need another one an hour later.

Bi Married Male
August 29th, 2006, 11:01 AM
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August 29th, 2006, 11:33 AM
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krishk_cancer
September 8th, 2006, 08:57 AM
hey guys i am new here just became a member.nice to meet you guys.

movieye
September 8th, 2006, 04:11 PM
The Brazilian father-son vid was HOT, but both are good looking men. I would NEVER be nude around my dad, but part of the allure of the Brazil pics has got to be seeing the dad with that huge boner. His son must be proud he sprung from that big banana.(!)

Nr197904
September 15th, 2006, 04:35 PM
I don't know about you all but when i was younger it was perfectly acceptable to be nude in front of my dad. I don't know why american's don't understand the difference between nudity and sexuality.

HazeMaster
September 15th, 2006, 06:07 PM
I don't know about you all but when i was younger it was perfectly acceptable to be nude in front of my dad. I don't know why american's don't understand the difference between nudity and sexuality.

Same here.

I grew up in the States in the 1950's and it was completely normal for fathers and sons to shower together at the beach or at the Y. Nobody even thought about it back then. It's just what families did

ds_writr
September 16th, 2006, 10:11 AM
^ I agree. I think there is all sorts of homophobia out there. But I think the WORST homophobia is when its expressed in this manner- between a father and son's "modesty at all costs" behavior.

I mean, it may be "normal" to not strut around with a boner in front of your son or your father. But NUDE? In recent years (decades) there is this unspoken household homophobia which makes even fathers and sons scurry around like they're of opposite genders or complete strangers.

And why? There can only be a couple of valid reasons as it becomes a cultural thing rather than just something between specific individuals. I mean, there have always been and always will be people who are more uptight or modest.

But as a regular behavior between most fathers and sons? It about something more than showing a boner.

All the modesty seems to imply that there is a great awareness on their parts of homosexuality, incest and cocks images like on the Internet.

The modesty seems to be driven by a combination of such factors. And oddly, it all becomes more sexualized than actual, simple nudity between a father and son.

They might not be nakkie, but the sexual energy is more intensified as they're working so hard to not be nakkie in front of one another. If that makes any sense.

Its what has been true between fathers and their daughters or mothers and sons -for always. There exists a natural modesty but its always reminding both that they are of opposite sex, have different "parts" and ought not get too comfortable should some boner slide against something that can make babies.

But between mother and daughter or father and son? I think they're suffering under the veil of this over-sexualized culture in which everyone is hyper-aware of all the possibilities.

And that's sad. Because the state of human nudity has become even more lost in the obsessive fear of sex acts.

A father and son can't even sit in a sauna together in many countries without the thought occurring to someone - even themselves - that its how a lot of guys have sex.

So you have a father dawdling while his son is in the sauna. And then when the father enters the sauna, the son exits. Its silly. And it actually is driven by homophobia. Which is a strange, sad message od discomfort to transmit between one another - maybe especially between a father and son. Its somehow being implied that if they didn't go through all these awkward motions and were instead nakkie in the sauna, that something might happen (sexually).

Where did that concept and fear come from? It has to be a reflection of the society in which we live where everyone and everything is sexualized. Where a father is taking in as much gay porn (just by osmosis) on the Internet as is his son. That pundits on talk shows seem hung up on sexualized children and cheating husbands and sex addicts...it all builds to send a message to the nuclear family unit.

IMO :)

HazeMaster
September 16th, 2006, 07:29 PM
All the modesty seems to imply that there is a great awareness on their parts of homosexuality, incest and cocks images like on the Internet.

The modesty seems to be driven by a combination of such factors. And oddly, it all becomes more sexualized than actual, simple nudity between a father and son.

They might not be nakkie, but the sexual energy is more intensified as they're working so hard to not be nakkie in front of one another. If that makes any sense.

And that's sad. Because the state of human nudity has become even more lost in the obsessive fear of sex acts.

Where did that concept and fear come from? It has to be a reflection of the society in which we live where everyone and everything is sexualized. Where a father is taking in as much gay porn (just by osmosis) on the Internet as is his son. That pundits on talk shows seem hung up on sexualized children and cheating husbands and sex addicts...it all builds to send a message to the nuclear family unit.

IMO :)

As I've posted before, sometimes ignorance is bliss.

Growing up in the "repressed" 1950s, meant no sex education in general and no knowledge whatsoever about "the love that dared not speak its name."

So there was mandatory nuditiy in YMCA swimming pools and communal showers with your extended (male) family at Jones Beach and "messing around" at Boy Scout Camp.

And then, just like Adam & Eve, the Sexual Revolution made us realize that we were nekkid and EVERYTHING we did was sexual and we became extremely modest and covered our private parts.

And are we any better off because we have "the knowledge of good and evil" on every aspect of our sexuality? I'm not so sure we are.

Bi Married Male
September 16th, 2006, 09:31 PM
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Bareback1988
September 16th, 2006, 11:42 PM
I don't know about you all but when i was younger it was perfectly acceptable to be nude in front of my dad. I don't know why american's don't understand the difference between nudity and sexuality.
I think it's an American thing. In many countries people are becoming less prudish towards their children. Few Europeans went to nudist beaches with their kids fifty years ago, and now ever more do so. Most still never do, but they get out of the shower naked and don't lock (or even close) bathroom doors anymore.

I have friends whose parents and brothers and sisters don't even feel shy to walk around naked when I am around.

smileandnod1310
September 19th, 2006, 01:20 AM
Like many people, it all depends on what is going on during this time for me.

My family has always been very open about nudity and sex and I'm very thankful for it. I always come home from school and the first thing I do is strip down naked, it's just how I was raised and when I feel most physically comfortable. My dad and I sit and watch the news together nude, read the paper, etc. but nothing sexual has ever come of it. I'll admit that erections due often occur, but it's not a gross thing, we'll tease eachother about it and move on. It's the same way with my 2 younger brothers and little sister. I share a room with my two brothers, it's a large room (thank god lol) in a three bedroom house, so we're used ot seeing eachother naked as well as sister, my dad and mom. Like I said, it all depends on what goes on during this 'time of nudity' that makes it ok or not. I wouldn't have it any other way.

hithere2468
September 19th, 2006, 12:14 PM
I agree that it depends on the circumstances and how you were raised. I don't know about walking around naked with your whole family once you're older, but if that's how you were raised and it's not anything sexual, then to each their own.

On an unrelated note, can anyone direct me on how to use rapidshare? I tried to download that video that was posted here and it says it's downloading but then I can't view it - any help would be appreciated.

thanks guys

lola21
October 2nd, 2006, 03:04 AM
hot verry veryy hot! I think nudity in family is normal i would never touch my fathers dick thats diskusting but other older males are verry verry hot!

eurogay36
October 2nd, 2006, 07:38 AM
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guysguy81
October 2nd, 2006, 04:37 PM
I think that would be hot... to see a father and son nude together.... wow
HOT
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bw92116
October 2nd, 2006, 04:43 PM
Actually I don't see it as wrong if the father teaches his son all about the "birds and the bees" and the changes in his own body, including frank and open discussion of masturbation - and if the father and son are comfortable with nudity together, I don't see anything wrong with instruction on masturbation either - as a sex-ed thing, not as a turn-on or a sexual relationship. I don't see it as immoral. The son is going to have to get this kind of education somewhere.

thongstuddy
October 2nd, 2006, 06:24 PM
well im 19 now...but when i was younger, like 3-14, i would walk around my house at night wearing just my regular boys briefs and a tshirt....when i was very young i showered with my father and my younger brother. no touching ever took place unless it was to wash me. i dont see a problem with it...my father has seen me recently in the lacrosse locker room nude, i am not embarassed, all men have a penis.

luvthissite
October 4th, 2006, 05:17 PM
I can remember when I was in college, I went to the hometown of my roommate. He was kind of an awkward jock, not the smooth jock type, but tall, hairy, and ok looks. I had not interest in him. The odd thing, when I stayed at his house, I heard that his brother was showering with his father (son/father). Odd thing was that the brother was about 14 years old.

I guess I dont have a problem with a son and father seeing each other naked, like if they are changing at the swimming pool, etc. But I am not convinced it is necessary for a father to shower with his son at that age, just seems a little odd to me.

Bi Married Male
October 4th, 2006, 06:57 PM
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OrionNorthFL
October 4th, 2006, 07:14 PM
There are a couple photos and stuff (posted on this thread and elsewhere) that have a father/son nudity theme... adult of course! and non-sexual... just naked. I kinda think they're hot.... plus it's fun to compare, lol.

Of course, that's because it's not "me" and my father.... but to see other father/son combos? Ok by me!

Bi Married Male
October 4th, 2006, 08:14 PM
Father/son could also be figurative...Acting out something that is forbidden.

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October 4th, 2006, 11:13 PM
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QuidditchStud
December 20th, 2006, 06:28 PM
Father and son nudity was always treated as natural around our house. Dad and us four boys wore speedos to the beach and pool and showered together naked afterwards in the locker room, while at home we sometimes still shower together if we are in a rush to get together or want to catch up on what the other has been up to. Nudity around the house was the same - not an everyday occurance but my brothers or myself would be quite all right if we saw dad or one of us walking around naked or with just briefs on while at the breakfast table or around the house on the weekend. My father raised us all to be comftable with our bodies and our sexualities, and I think we all came out of it well ajusted and quite liberal and open minded.

scrapple
December 20th, 2006, 06:43 PM
If I'm not mistaken, the Playgirl article featured a grandfather, father and son all nude. The father had a really tiny dick, but he was still incredibly handsome. The name was Myette or Myotte, something like that.

Normy7
December 21st, 2006, 02:27 PM
I agree with you all...but when it comes to sex between father and son, I think that if they both want it, and are willing to go through with it, and the father isn't purposely taking advantage, than why not?

NasteybutClassy69
December 21st, 2006, 09:05 PM
I don't see a problem with it I always worked out with my dad so we'd change in front of each other all the time he got me into my first jock working out was a kinda guy thing to do together and being naked around each other was just normal

hermanding
December 22nd, 2006, 04:02 PM
believe it's a good idea for a kid to see his dad naked accidentally in the course of daily life. it takes away the taboo of seeing a naked body. this in no way is connected to someone strutting around 6 hours without clothing himself, showing an erection, or other types of exploitation. we've all got the same body with minor variations.
ding

Evoost
December 26th, 2006, 01:53 AM
My wife and I have raised our children to be comfortable with their nakedness. Since they have seen us naked all their lives, it is only natural for them being naked around us. My son is 18 and my daughter is 16, and they are both pretty much naked all the time. I even taught my children how to masturbate when they were sexually ready, and they feel comfortable masturbating in front of us. So, I feel that my children have grown up a lot more confident by feeling natural about nakedness and watching their parents naked...

That is seriously one of the most shocking and revolting things I have ever read. You "taught" your children how to masturbate and now they openly masturbate in front of you? Call me a prude, but that falls into the realm of sexual abuse in my view.

I have never seen my father naked. I never wanted to. I never thought about it. I never cared.

Maybe I have "issues" (but, I don't think so). I wouldn't care for my children to see me nude. I have no real qualms about nudity, but I also believe that some people (not all) possibly gain some sort of bizarre peurile exhibitionistic fulfilment out of it. That's fine with me, but, leave the kids out of it. I can bond with my kids just as well . . . I don't have to be naked or have them naked to do so. A little modesty can also be a good thing. A little modesty isn't "harmful" either.

rnnrsrl
December 26th, 2006, 04:20 PM
I'll bet most of the people who think nudity around family members is at all weird are North Americans and other Anglo-Saxons. If you said this to almost any continental European, or a non-Muslim Asian, they'd think you were crazy. If you ask me, what's weird or disturbing is when people automatically equate nudity with sexuality. If I were more judgmental, I'd say that you'd have to be a little perverted to even THINK that there's some kind of linkage between mere nudity and sexuality. I think North American culture is seriously a little warped in this respect. It weirds me out how our former Atty. General (Ashcroft) felt the need to cover the bosoms of nude statues, or why people object to men wearing speedos, etc.

I'll agree that North Americans from the US find nudity, for the most part, distasteful. This whole debate started because the generation before us, I happen to think it was some time between the WWII and the baby-boomers, became a little more prudish. Our sense for nudity and the tasteful display of such is reasserting itself now and we are trying to make heads and tails of it in relation to the conflicting reactions of the feelings our parents instilled in us. There's nothing wrong with the human form and our children need to be taught this. If our reaction is one of acceptance and not disgust, our children will be more comfortable once they become parents. NS was right, nudity does not sexual make!

Hearts
December 26th, 2006, 09:52 PM
My wife and I have raised our children to be comfortable with their nakedness. Since they have seen us naked all their lives, it is only natural for them being naked around us. My son is 18 and my daughter is 16, and they are both pretty much naked all the time. I even taught my children how to masturbate when they were sexually ready, and they feel comfortable masturbating in front of us. So, I feel that my children have grown up a lot more confident by feeling natural about nakedness and watching their parents naked...

The only way I would envy educa's situation, is that if I were a teenage friend of the family, and being able to see educa's kids, and if I could also be nude.

Hearts
December 26th, 2006, 09:55 PM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html


My gosh, that is a hot video! I only wish that they could have touched each other in a non-sexual way; maybe touch each other's butt, thigh, or hold hands.

2000kilo
December 29th, 2006, 02:11 AM
hi guys...im new on here. im bi, 38 and very much a nudist. i grew up in a family of nudists with friends into it and so on.

most of my childood and teen years were spent naked at home, parties, pools beaches etc. with lots of adults and other kids of nudists.

we were taught never to be ashamed and the same with sex. experimentation was natural. I have only good memories of it.*|*

Growing bear
January 20th, 2007, 12:56 PM
Here in Brazil there is an actor called Matheus Carrieri. Maybe, a few of you guys have heard about him. Well, he has a son, Kaike Carrieri. It was rumored that his relation with his son was not good, they weren't friends and close. Now, things have changed and this is what happened:

http://rapidshare.de/files/3960588/gmyk.wmv.html

can u re-up this video

Caution
January 20th, 2007, 03:10 PM
educa, that is some new shit to me. I would never in a billion years do my business in front of my mother or father. I have young parents and i could talk them about sex and stuff so its all cool. My father told me about masterbation but I never did it in front of him. My father is almost like an older brother. Also my uncles are real cool. My favorite uncle and I have been naked in front of each other many times. In the school locker rooms, we even fucked in front of each other and the same girl.

He just turned 20. Hes only 10 months older then me.

weasley
January 21st, 2007, 01:25 PM
well, nudists don't really lay in the social norm, no offense. They're sort of a bunch of free spirits and no harm intended.
Guys in the US these days are overreacting about nudity in front of another male. The urinals at my school are almost never used cuz god knows if the guys pee sitting down lol. In the lockerroom they change under a towel like they're afraid someone will see their pu*sy? I think that's a little too extreme. As i recall, guys aren't that modest back in Brit. i don't mean we should go check out each other, but we should be comfortable with our body

harddick69
January 21st, 2007, 01:30 PM
As a teen, i would try to get the courage to walk around the house naked...only when my dad was home. i was always comfortable in my skin and had no problems showing it all. finally, one morning i did it, and my dad didn't have a problem. from then on, everytime i was naked in front of him, he only laughs and says im in my birthday suit. when he was a kid, he says he was too embarassed to be naked in front of his dad. to me, this was always normal, seeing how he was my dad. i've seen him naked to a few times, and its perfectly fine

getstoseven
January 21st, 2007, 01:41 PM
As a teen...................... i was always comfortable in my skin and had no problems showing it all. finally, one morning i did it, and my dad didn't have a problem. from then on, everytime i was naked in front of him

So.............what do you do NOW? ;)

Underdog
January 21st, 2007, 02:18 PM
Normal, not immoral

harddick69
January 22nd, 2007, 06:48 PM
now, whenever i visit home and its only me and the old man, i still go about the house naked, cock swinging back and forth. he just comments how it's just like old times and i haven't changed a bit. also, even when i have a hard on it doesn't matter..we just act like everythings normal. he's even walked past me in my old room jacking off (and i know he sees me) and he just laughs and thats that. nudity between family members is perfectly ok..as long as its not sexual.

curious44709
January 23rd, 2007, 07:18 PM
now, whenever i visit home and its only me and the old man, i still go about the house naked, cock swinging back and forth. he just comments how it's just like old times and i haven't changed a bit. also, even when i have a hard on it doesn't matter..we just act like everythings normal. he's even walked past me in my old room jacking off (and i know he sees me) and he just laughs and thats that. nudity between family members is perfectly ok..as long as its not sexual.


I must say that if i ever knew my dad was watching me masturbate I would have to enjoy that for a little while at least! Would be pretty hot

Gardenboy95
January 23rd, 2007, 08:36 PM
I have asked perhaps hundreds of men on line, about how they were introducted to any gay sex situations, only one cited that his father had taught him how to JO. I recalled my Dad and I taking an outdoor shower at his mothers house before i had reached puberty. I had hoped it would occur more often, but it didn't. Later he would get some blisters on his back while working outdoors. He would have me to wash his back in the tub. I had to reach down between his legs to wet the wrag, but he never was turned on by that, but I was. I was probably 16 then. One of our neigbors showers with his young son. I think we all grow up wanting to keep our privates private from our parents.

erikaliente
January 28th, 2007, 03:18 PM
I've always seen my father nude and hehas always seen me nude too. Since my brother and I were like 12 years old, he taught us how to masturbate but without anyhting sexual, he didn't touch us or did anything wrong. My brother is now 16 years old and the 3 of us continue masturbating ourselves wathcing porn (hetero porn) or talking about sex stories. That's cool beacuse we end with ejaculation and after that everything is normal.

blackbeltninja
January 29th, 2007, 02:01 AM
Well, my dad bailed when I was 2, but my mom has never had any issues with my sister or I seeing her naked, even to this day. She's always said it's not a big issue, and preached that all the time when I was younger.

Ironic then that she freaks out if she hears about people streaking, sleeping naked or skinny-dipping, saying it's all so unnecessary. I guess she means the sort of bath or shower nudity only, eh?

Me - nudity doesn't bother me. It did when I was in my teens, probably because of the modesty factor, and because we didn't have to shower at school, so I'd never got undressed in front of guys my age before. These days, since 18 or so, it's not an issue - locker rooms, nude beaches, streaking, skinny-dipping, the lot. I don't tend to hang around naked at home or anything - that does strike me as odd - but in instances where nudity is expected or required (or entertaining haha), I'm there.

Surprisingly, this last weekend, a younger friend of mine and current gym partner finally got naked in public, at the gym in the locker room. Up till Friday he was the standard issue shower-in-boxers-change-in-toilet-stall-or-under-a-towel .za younger guy, but Friday night he just stopped all that and did it, and again on Saturday. By his own admission - I've asked him several times before about it - this is the first time anyone has seen him naked since he was 9, and he's now 22.

Times a-changing - can only be a good thing, I reckon.

-d-

Caution
January 30th, 2007, 11:54 PM
I am South African(born in Madagascar). My Father is Dutch/South African and my mother is South African.

I only lived in the US for about 7-8 years. I don't do nudity in front of my parents

lukeyboy123
February 19th, 2007, 09:53 AM
It Depends on the way you look at it. I see no problem in just being naked. But then if it escalates thats when the problems start to occur. But it is the childs choice. Now underage, NO! but over 18, then its up to them.

dutchguy
February 19th, 2007, 10:11 AM
.... when my children were young, I was totally oblivious to nudity. For me, for them, it was natural. But the fact is that once they reach a certain age they neither want to be seen naked; nor do they want to see their parents naked. You have to judge when that is.

Still, when I sunbathe on a beach, if it's discreet, this daddy will be nude.

Excellent and wise!
I have casually seen nearly all of my cousins in Holland. Changing cloths, in the shower, on the beach, etc. Nudity is not Sexual. But that is foreign to many cultures, including the one I'm in now, USA.

nicedaddy36
February 19th, 2007, 05:48 PM
I don't understand the taboo over nudity at home. I've been a nudist since I was introduced to nudism in college by a roommate who was raised in a nudist family. As a dad, I'm nude around the house whenever I feel like being nude, regardless of whether the boys are around or not.

That being said, there is a big difference between casual/social nudity and sexual nudity. (One is being nude and the other is being nekkid!)

radical matt
February 20th, 2007, 12:02 AM
Well, I think it depends on the person/society as to the views. I mean, my parents were prudish and I live in the US, so just the concept of nudity does tend to be a turn on in that respect simply because it's not a "normal" activity. Though there is a simple artistic beauty to the human form, but I haven't really noticed that until more reciently...

For refernce, I believe I've only seen my father naked one time, that's when he was changing out of a swiming suit into his regular clothes at a water park. I think I was 18 or 19 at the time. First and only time, and I wasn't really looking (I was trying to find a spot to change where people wouldn't see ME changing. -blush- And yes, I did find a nice corner to hide in to change. ^_^)

I've decided if I have sons, I'd like to do things differently because even to this day, I'm really bashful and shy about my body...and I don't want kids I have to suffer from the same hang-up which I'm only now getting over myself (and not really the nudity part, even just being shirtless to swim and stuff.) I haven't decided how to do it yet, but then I don't have to worry about it for a while either. ^_^ I just know I want kids that I have to be comfortable in their skin and their bodies, and who they are as people. Course, then the masterbation thing comes on. On the one hand, it's really private, but on the other, I was never shown how or told it was alright, and I had several years of my life agonizing over it which I also don't want any sons I have going through. But yeah, fortunately, I have plenty of time to think about what would be a right way to do it. As for the puberty thing...hehe, yeah, that kinda freaked me out. ^_^; Course, it also came a touch late and I didn't even see guys my own age shirtless or nude either (no gym, no showers. ^_^) -shrug-


As for normal or perverted...that depends too. But not being a father yet myself, and not having had any such experience of any form with my own father, I guess I can't really give a good opinion on this, just the opposite side.

blackbeltninja
February 20th, 2007, 03:06 AM
I've decided if I have sons, I'd like to do things differently because even to this day, I'm really bashful and shy about my body...and I don't want kids I have to suffer from the same hang-up which I'm only now getting over myself (and not really the nudity part, even just being shirtless to swim and stuff.) I haven't decided how to do it yet, but then I don't have to worry about it for a while either. ^_^ I just know I want kids that I have to be comfortable in their skin and their bodies, and who they are as people.

I think that's a good and healthy attitude to have. I have a mate about your age whom I mentioned in my post who's getting used to the getting-naked-in-public thing also for the first time and I think it goes a long way into building up a bit of confidence.

Good luck!

-d-

Evoost
February 22nd, 2007, 12:56 AM
On the one hand, it's really private, but on the other, I was never shown how or told it was alright, and I had several years of my life agonizing over it which I also don't want any sons I have going through.



Does any boy ever need to be shown how to masturbate??? Come on! They figure it out real damn quick on their own. What they don't know initially they learn from their friends.

I do apologise if I sound judgemental, but there is indeed a very creepy incestuous undertone to this thread in many of the posts.

I don't understand it whatsoever. I learned to masturbate without any assistance from anyone . . . let alone my father. I love the man dearly, but I never saw him nude. I never wanted to see him nude. I never cared to see him nude and certainly never longed for him to see me nude; and especially not watch me masturbate. And this is the same for my own children. Yes, having a healthy sense of on'es body is good . . . but so is a little modesty.

tila123
February 22nd, 2007, 07:12 AM
ugh.
we need to stop talking and start showing pix.

......plz.
:)

EricCage
February 22nd, 2007, 08:00 AM
I shower with my 18 month old son sometimes. I my culture however, the son should never see the fatehr naked - a respect thing I assume.

radical matt
February 22nd, 2007, 11:44 PM
Does any boy ever need to be shown how to masturbate??? Come on! They figure it out real damn quick on their own. What they don't know initially they learn from their friends.

I do apologise if I sound judgemental, but there is indeed a very creepy incestuous undertone to this thread in many of the posts.

I don't understand it whatsoever. I learned to masturbate without any assistance from anyone . . . let alone my father. I love the man dearly, but I never saw him nude. I never wanted to see him nude. I never cared to see him nude and certainly never longed for him to see me nude; and especially not watch me masturbate. And this is the same for my own children. Yes, having a healthy sense of on'es body is good . . . but so is a little modesty.


I don't disagree with that, I just wonder what's the best way to do things. While you don't want to be incestuous, as you said, I feel that an extreme prudicial view (one that never mentions sex, nudity, or anything of the sort...I'm still waiting on "the talk" myself...I'm assuming my father was either going to wait for my wedding night or figured I'd figure it out on my own :p) isn't a great idea. And, of course, you have to factor in individuals and how they come to accept themselves.

But then, life's too complicated to figure out all at once and boil down into something cut and dry. Modesty is good, but to the point that one is afraid to be shirtless while swiming? Sexuality between non-married family members (that is, the husband and the wife) isn't a good thing, but prudish to the point that the kids curse themselfs for jerking off and the concept of sex (much less masturbation, safer sex, and the parent's values regarding sex and sexuality) are simply unmentioned and not talked about? That's not good either. I'm guessing as with everything else in life, the trick is striking a ballance and tayloring your actions to the individuals you are dealing with. But that takes wisdom and a ballance between wreaklessness and prudence...


As for the first thing you said, I didn't have to be shown how, I figured it out by accident (while conducting a completely unrelated experiment... -blush- Hehe, it's kinda funny, actually...), but though I figured it out at 12, from age 14-17 I thought I was committing some terrible sin which I hated myself for, something that I didn't totally get over until I was almost 20. So while I'm not saying that a father should physically demostrate how to do it for his sons, it might be nice to be told you aren't damning yourself to hell over it...in fact, I'd rather any sons of mine do that than have indiscriminate (or worse still, unprotected) sex with random people. Oh yeah, and I never had any friends that I talked with about it (I HONESTLY thought I was the only person on Earth that did it until I was 18. ^_^; And besides, all my friends came from essentially equally prudish famalies.)

Well, like I said, what do I know? -shrug-

tucky606
April 6th, 2007, 10:32 PM
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bearsuit
April 7th, 2007, 01:08 AM
Think that's Derek Steel.

uncutmuscleboston
April 8th, 2007, 04:34 AM
I shower with my 18 month old son sometimes. I my culture however, the son should never see the fatehr naked - a respect thing I assume.

well if your son can see you naked, I would be glad to see you naked! :-)

blackbeltninja
April 11th, 2007, 06:42 AM
I shower with my 18 month old son sometimes. I my culture however, the son should never see the fatehr naked - a respect thing I assume.

I've never heard of that before. May I ask what your culture is?

-d-

2boyzukuk
April 11th, 2007, 10:48 AM
Well i am going to be very British about this and maintain nothing stiff other then an upper lip and say it's not really the done thing never saw my parents naked never wanted too and would die of shock if ever they where to have seen me after about my 6th birthday.

elvin1
April 11th, 2007, 01:21 PM
This issue is very weird to me. A son should never see a father's dick. There is no reason for it and I don't see how it is beneficial to a son's development.
Same with the son. There comes a point where the son is no longer a child and a father need not see his son's dick.

spikebaltar
April 12th, 2007, 11:05 PM
This issue is very weird to me. A son should never see a father's dick. There is no reason for it and I don't see how it is beneficial to a son's development.
Same with the son. There comes a point where the son is no longer a child and a father need not see his son's dick.
I can't believe all the prudery on this site. Haven't you ever gone swimming or to the gym with your dad growing up? Or camping? It's just nudity and it is beneficial for the son to see what normal adult men look like so he will know that it is perfectly natural when he starts growing hair down there.
Its also beneficial that he doesn't develop a shameful attitude towards his body or a ridiculous exaggerated form of modesty that is evidently common among boys today.

elvin1
April 12th, 2007, 11:18 PM
I can't believe all the prudery on this site. Haven't you ever gone swimming or to the gym with your dad growing up? Or camping? It's just nudity and it is beneficial for the son to see what normal adult men look like so he will know that it is perfectly natural when he starts growing hair down there.
Its also beneficial that he doesn't develop a shameful attitude towards his body or a ridiculous exaggerated form of modesty that is evidently common among boys today.

No...I have never seen my father naked. And I have no desire to. I'm sure other kids that are actually going through puberty help each other out or compare. I don't have a problem whatsoever with kids seeing other kids naked. They do it at gym anyway. Wouldn't that be more beneficial? How about sex education at school?
Why would anyone want to see their father's dick? I mean, if it is an accident...fine. I just don't see why a father would walk around with his dick hanging out for their sons to see.
But hey, maybe I am a prude.

Bareback1988
April 13th, 2007, 02:39 AM
No...I have never seen my father naked. And I have no desire to. I'm sure other kids that are actually going through puberty help each other out or compare. I don't have a problem whatsoever with kids seeing other kids naked. They do it at gym anyway. Wouldn't that be more beneficial? How about sex education at school?
Why would anyone want to see their father's dick? I mean, if it is an accident...fine. I just don't see why a father would walk around with his dick hanging out for their sons to see.
But hey, maybe I am a prude.

You bet you are a prude.

If you father had to answer the phone while in the shower, did he dress first and call back later? Or did he storm our naked but covering that one little part of his body? Or did he just come out, with or without a towel?

Kids don't always see other kids naked. Not in all countries do kids see each other at the gym. I think it's good to grow up with a relaxed attitutde towards nude men, boys, girls and women. If you're uncomfortable about being naked with your own dad, how do you feel at the doctor's?

And MODERATORS, why is this topic still in the porn section????? Nudity in itself has nothing to do with porn. When are you going to move it to one of the general topics sections where it belongs?????

blackbeltninja
April 13th, 2007, 05:20 AM
I'm with the pro-nudity guys on this one - my dad ditched us when I was a kid, and we didn't shower after gym or anything in primary or high school, so I had no idea what to expect or anything during The Big Change of puberty, apart from what I'd read in books.

Having your dad see you undressed, and seeing your dad undressed, really should not cause anyone any panic at all, I shouldn't think. There are far too many boys and young men out there who are scared absolutely shitless to get undressed in semi-public (as in locker rooms) for whatever reason, and I honestly don't see the point of being uncomfortable in your own skin.

I was in that terrified camp for a long while as a young guy, but I realised that at some point you just need to get over it, get on with it and get used to it. So at the ripe age of 22, I did.

It took a week's worth of showering at the gym before it became a complete non-issue, and nobody was reduced to a gibbering wreck because of it.

-d-

elvin1
April 13th, 2007, 08:41 AM
You bet you are a prude.

If you father had to answer the phone while in the shower, did he dress first and call back later? Or did he storm our naked but covering that one little part of his body? Or did he just come out, with or without a towel?

Kids don't always see other kids naked. Not in all countries do kids see each other at the gym. I think it's good to grow up with a relaxed attitutde towards nude men, boys, girls and women. If you're uncomfortable about being naked with your own dad, how do you feel at the doctor's?

And MODERATORS, why is this topic still in the porn section????? Nudity in itself has nothing to do with porn. When are you going to move it to one of the general topics sections where it belongs?????


Dude, compared to you 99% of us are prudes...


http://justusboys.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2456793#post2456793

USER95125
April 17th, 2007, 02:01 PM
I agree that when in an inappropriate manor it is wrong. But if a father takes his son to the gym or local YMCA to swim and they both change in the locker room next to each other, or use a communal shower naked next to each other is not a problem.

spikebaltar
April 19th, 2007, 08:48 PM
I'm with the pro-nudity guys on this one - my dad ditched us when I was a kid, and we didn't shower after gym or anything in primary or high school, so I had no idea what to expect or anything during The Big Change of puberty, apart from what I'd read in books.

Having your dad see you undressed, and seeing your dad undressed, really should not cause anyone any panic at all, I shouldn't think. There are far too many boys and young men out there who are scared absolutely shitless to get undressed in semi-public (as in locker rooms) for whatever reason, and I honestly don't see the point of being uncomfortable in your own skin.

I was in that terrified camp for a long while as a young guy, but I realised that at some point you just need to get over it, get on with it and get used to it. So at the ripe age of 22, I did.

It took a week's worth of showering at the gym before it became a complete non-issue, and nobody was reduced to a gibbering wreck because of it.

-d-
Thanks, you proved my point. There is a benefit to some nudity growing up. And a boy (or man for that matter) shouldn't be ashamed of his body.
Yea, I got over it at 12 when we started showering in school. The maturity of the boys in class ran the gamut from no pube pre-pubescent like me to full bushes and chest hair on the guys that had been held back a couple times.
But I wasn't surprised at anything because I had seen my dad nude on occasion and knew what a man looked like.

BIMICHAEL4FUN
April 19th, 2007, 09:09 PM
I agree that dad should create a home where everyone is comfortable with nudity. If the kids see their parents being comfortable with the appearance of their bodies, they probably won't be as freaked out about others seeing their bodies. However, I also agree that the nudity should never occur in a sexually provocative manner.

elvin1
April 22nd, 2007, 08:58 PM
LOL. How is having to see your dad's dick beneficial to a child?
Kids know what a dick looks like and there are sex education classes to show them. They know that it will eventually grow. How is comparing your dick as a kid to a grown up man's benefial to their development especially when it's their dad's dick?
You don't think that kids see other kids in bathrooms and gyms and compare?
I don't get it. lol

elvin1
April 22nd, 2007, 09:31 PM
Teacher:

"Thanks Mikey. Sounds like you had a good time at the park.
Billy, please stand up and tell everyone what you did yesterday."

Billy:

"Yesterday I went camping with my parents. They are into nudity and walked around the whole time naked. I saw daddy's dick and it was huge. It's weird. Daddy insists on me seeing it."

The classroom:

"EEEEWWWW"

Teacher:

Um.........*speechless*

lostparker17
April 23rd, 2007, 02:40 AM
Teacher:

"Thanks Mikey. Sounds like you had a good time at the park.
Billy, please stand up and tell everyone what you did yesterday."

Billy:

"Yesterday I went camping with my parents. They are into nudity and walked around the whole time naked. I saw daddy's dick and it was huge. It's weird. Daddy insists on me seeing it."

The classroom:

"EEEEWWWW"

Teacher:

Um.........*speechless*

sounds like you have issues man. went to Finland last summer and stayed with friends at their lake house. everyone grows up going to the sauna daily, nude. it is amazing to be around people who have no prejudice whatsoever about nudity and their bodies. i'm 55 and was invited to the sauna daily and did so in the presence of teens, pre-teens, and old guys like myself. all nude, no boners, no attitudes. it was great to see humanity get along like that.

blackbeltninja
April 23rd, 2007, 06:15 AM
LOL. How is having to see your dad's dick beneficial to a child?
Kids know what a dick looks like and there are sex education classes to show them. They know that it will eventually grow. How is comparing your dick as a kid to a grown up man's benefial to their development especially when it's their dad's dick?
You don't think that kids see other kids in bathrooms and gyms and compare?
I don't get it. lol

Ah, but if EVERYONE starts getting too shy because they have never seen other people naked, then nobody's going to be seeing anyone in bathrooms and gyms because - as we are seeing already - nobody gets undressed in there properly anymore; they either hide under a towel or shower in their underwear. And why is it okay for a kid to see other people's dicks but not his dad's?

Fact is, if your parents are always making a fuss if someone is seen naked, you grow up with many of those same inhibitions. Being comfortable in your skin has to start with being told that it is okay to be comfortable in your skin, and actions speak much louder than words. If you want your kids to eat vegetables because you tell them that vegetables are nice (a lie; but that's another can of worms) you kinda have to lead the way and eat the damn things too, right?

I mean, you're not going to take your son to the gym with you just so he can compare his own dick with some stranger's because he's never seen yours, are you?

"Dad, what will happen to my weenie when I grow older?"

"Hang on - let me get my keys. I'll drive you to the gym and you can see for yourself."

Okay, it's extreme, but I think it illustrates my point. As long as it's nothing sexual, it shouldn't be a worry. Ideally, of course, the answer to the question is "it'll look like mine, which you've seen before" because a.) it will look like your dad's, for the most part, and b.) you probably will have seen it before.

Incidentally, my school didn't have Sex Ed. If you did biology, you got the technical lessons in Standard 9 (2nd last year of high school) when you did the reproductive system; the rest of us had to make do with a dog-eared copy of Hustler and a few badly stretched, over-played 70s-era porn movies on VHS which went around the class when I was 12 or 13.

-d-

sentientoak
April 29th, 2007, 04:13 PM
Nevermind.

lukey2
April 30th, 2007, 05:30 AM
When I was young, I always showered with my father when we were away from home (camping). I know I made him uncomfortable once when when I asked him about the size of his "thing". I reached out to point at it (I don't think I wanted to touch it -eww GAWD I hope not). He stepped back, and said something to the efect of, "Never mind that." Looking back, I am GLAD that was all that happened. I was VERY curious about cock for as long as I can remember, but that was something that I am glad never happened. A few years ago we went camping together again, and we showered at the same time, but I was careful to keep myself covered and I definately avoided looking in his direction. I was awkward about it as an adult (who knew he was gay by then).

lukey2
April 30th, 2007, 05:41 AM
When I was around 12, I went on a football excursion with my father. There were boxed lunches and a whole keg of beer on the bus (the excursion was charted through a local bar). The bus had a bathroom, and on the way back from the game I got up to take a piss. Most of the guys on the bus were drunk and either passed out or sleeping (I was a little drunk too since no one seemed to care that I was drinking on the way back to the bar where everyone had parked). One of the men on the bus reached between my legs and grabbed my cock. I remember my mouth gaping open and my eyes shot open wide in FEAR. The fear was that someone had seen (and would figure out that I was gay). His hand pulled back quickly, and he looked looked away. After I got out of the bathroom, he pretended to be sleeping. I tried to get his attention for the rest of the ride. He never looked at me. After we got back, I tried to find him (I WANTED him to continue whatever he had in mind). I DO regret that he took off with nothing ever happening. He was around the age of my father, and I definately wanted something sexual to happen there. I masterbated to that memory often for a few years after that happened.

lukey2
April 30th, 2007, 05:46 AM
There is a comedian (Adam Curolla I think) who jokes, "When I have a son, I'm going to let him see my penis one time when he is really young. Then for the rest of his life, he'll swear that his old man has the most gigantic penis on earth" or something to that effect. I found it funny.

REALWILDARKIEHERE
May 6th, 2007, 07:50 AM
I agree with Lostparker17, I wish nudity was not considered such a big thing?? I'm by all means not a nudest.. Here in the South, you cover up :) hee hee However, I do think everyone needs to loosen up a LOT..

Jim

allmaleguy69
December 27th, 2007, 01:53 PM
Does anyone have a current link to the Matheus/Kaike Carrieri (father/son) video? I'm interested in checking it out.

Thanks,
J

Bareback1988
December 27th, 2007, 04:19 PM
And why is it okay for a kid to see other people's dicks but not his dad's?

I mean, you're not going to take your son to the gym with you just so he can compare his own dick with some stranger's because he's never seen yours, are you?

"Dad, what will happen to my weenie when I grow older?"

"Hang on - let me get my keys. I'll drive you to the gym and you can see for yourself."


Hilarious! So true.

hphbp1821
January 7th, 2008, 10:15 PM
can someone reupload that brazilian video?

grady26
January 8th, 2008, 01:00 AM
Okay, a yank here, and the many comments about the USA having a hangup on nudity are correct. This country was founded by a group of puritans.

And yes, I have seen my dad naked. We would camp during the summers and would head to the bushes for a morning piss. Many times I saw my dad erect with his morning piss hardon. Was it erotic? Nope, it was fascinating -- as a kid thought his cock was monstrous. And was fascinated by the hair on his crotch -- remember, I was a kid and bald down below. In many ways, his nudity was funny as he could not pee sometimes because of his erection. He would be moaning and groaning waiting to go limp, and I would giggle and pee freely.

It was never a sexual or arousing problem -- just natural and a memory I still have. Not erotic at all.

Never saw my dad naked after puberty -- had no desire to do so.

As said, we yanks are hungup on nudity and think is HAS to be sexual.

P.S. Had a good laugh of the JUB member mentioning John Ashcroft's covering up the breasts of a stature that was within camera range during one of his press conferences. That tells ya where his brain was.

Damn those puritans!

oh-yeah
January 14th, 2008, 10:44 AM
There's nothing wrong with nudity as long as you don't treat like it's a big deal. Just be comfortable with our bodies and your children will become too as long as you treat it as such. Learning to be comfortable in our own skin especially without our clothes on is perfectly healthy. Everyone has the same body parts so what's the big deal??

willow
March 19th, 2008, 07:52 PM
Just about every guy I have talked to who shared nudity with their father said they were closer with their father than anyone they knew. A father and son shouldn't have anything to hide from each other. A father who wants to be close to his son should be there to teach his son about life and everything about it. The human body and sex is just part of our lives, and not something to hide or be ashamed of. I only wish I had that kind of relationship with my father.

rodvill
March 20th, 2008, 12:02 AM
my dad ditched us when I was a kid, and we didn't shower after gym or anything in primary or high school, so I had no idea what to expect or anything during The Big Change of puberty, apart from what I'd read in books.

I totally agree, this is going to sound dumb, but before puberty I had barely seen any guy naked, so since i was about 8 years i wondered if the balls that hanged below my penis were supposed to be normal, so this created both insecurity and curiosity... don't know if someone else had this same feeling...
P.S. I know LOVE my balls *shy* :D

Bareback1988
March 20th, 2008, 12:50 AM
Growing up, every needs a group of people with whom they can be themselves, with whom they can bond, with whom they can learn to be naked and accept their own and other people's bodies with their pluses and defects. In Europe, we call such group a family. In America, they seem to expect this from sports teams.

blackbeltninja
March 20th, 2008, 01:35 AM
^Judging by conversations I've had with friends in the US, sports teams barely even do this anymore either.

-d-

willow
March 20th, 2008, 10:35 AM
I live in America and yes, this country, with it's current leadership and strong religious groups, is just going backwards. When I was in school back in the 60's every kid took gym in school and every kid had to shower after class. My first day in the shower with all the other boys was tense because I had never been nude around anyone before that. But after a few days it was no big deal anymore, and since then I have never had a problem with nudity. Today kids are not required to shower after gym, if they even have gym, and I guess hardly any do. Fathers are so busy today trying to make a living they don't spend any time with their kids, so the video games take care of that. And we wonder why some people are so uptight about letting anyone see their bodies.

On another site I have talked to young guys who have grown up in nudist families. Or guys who were raised by their dads. These guys who grew up in an environment where being nude around your father or brother was normal all say they have a much closer relationship with their fathers than any of their friends have with their fathers. If a father and son can be nude around each other then they most likely will have a very close bond between them. And isn't that they way it should be. And yes, I have heard stories from guys who say more than just nudity was shared between them and their father and/or brother. Whether that is right or wrong is very debatable. I guess the way I look at it we are all guys. We all masturbate. If it happens to be with a father or brother, and is consensual, what does it hurt. That is just my opinion and I am sure I will be beat into the ground for it. I was told by one 18 year old guy who was raised by his father that him, his father and younger brother all hang out nude together. And yes, sometimes more than just hanging out nude goes on. He also said his father is so laid back and cool, his brother is like his best friend, and he wouldn't have it any other way. And no, he isn't some redneck from back in the hills who's family all marry their cousins. He is just a normal guy and apparantly very happy with his life.

flixelblix
March 20th, 2008, 02:35 PM
I almost forgot about this thread, I'd like to add to it again with a story that took place a number of years back.

I dated a girl who had an 8 year old daughter. Daughter was a horny little thing, I'd unbutton my pants to tuck my shirt in and she would run over and try to look down my pants. She would do other things as well, intentionally walk in on me while I was in the bathroom, etc.

To fix the problem, I took her and her mother to the local nudist park, I'd walk around the house naked, the nude beach, etc. in short, got her so used to seeing naked people that she lost all interest.

It worked really well.

f0zzie05
March 20th, 2008, 04:53 PM
"naked is good" tommy pickels from nickelodeon's "RugRats"

Storybook_Man
March 20th, 2008, 06:33 PM
I remember when I was at a hotel on a trip with my family. It was me, my brother, my uncle and father in a room. My father stayed in a different room with my mom but we had just gotten back from a football game so he joined us for a bit before going to bed.

Well, as soon as we got in the room, my brother jumped in the shower, my Uncle jumped on the laptop to check out his stocks, we all were completely soaked, was raining hard throughout all 4 quartars. Well, I told my father and uncle I would be right back, that I am going to go to the other room to get changed and dry up. My father responded sort of quickly with a why are you embarrassed to get changed and dry up out here. Actually I didn't, I really want to have sex with both of them, but I couldn't tell him that. As soon as I started taking off my clothes my father left, and then my Uncle started getting undressed, but he was ducking behind a bed, so obviously he didnt feel comfortable. I did get a look at him in his underwear though, but nothing to make it exciting...

I personally don't have a problem getting naked in front of anyone except the females of the family. I was just respecting my father when I said that I was going to the other room, not sure how he would feel to see his son, all grown and naked, a lot different than when I was a child. But more recently, I have been living alone and my father has come stay with me a few days. Each day he stayed I was in tight white boxer shorts, and the last day he was there, I woke up because it was cold and realized my dick was hanging out completely, balls too. I woke up as he was leaving. But he saw a soft core porn that I was watching one night, I was embarrassed that he would see it after he came in so I pretended like I was sleeping, and my dick was hanging out then too by accident, he saw the video and asked me a few times if he wanted me to turn it off or keep it going. I didn't respond so he turned it off in time.... Damn I should have just manned up and said yeah keep it on, i was in the middle of something! haha JOIN!

ace3316
March 20th, 2008, 08:03 PM
Hmm, I'd have to say that at a certain point it become unnatural.

But, I'd get naked and shower or skinny dip with ya BMG... grrr uncut and likes doggy...sorry, I'm a bit horned up now.

eoinfc18
March 21st, 2008, 05:29 PM
same here but i wud luv to see a man fully naked>>>>u got msn???

jameschan
July 4th, 2010, 10:49 AM
I think its healthy. My dad and I started seeing each other naked a lot after a camping trip. At that time, I was in my 20s and we hadn't seen each other naked for a long long time. Now, if I'm at his apartment during the summer and it's hot, we do get naked. We're so comfortable that we sometimes sit accross from each other with our drinks in one hand, legs spread giving each other fill view of the other's privates, and our other hand would not even be trying to cover it up. It has really brought us closer together.

countryfan
July 4th, 2010, 02:49 PM
Speaking of hanging out nude with your own dad or son, has anyone got to do that today for the 4th? It's hot if you have got to!

dwdwdw
July 4th, 2010, 08:47 PM
We worked out at his home gym and then we changed in the same room afterwords. We saw each other naked because we were talking while we were changing and we weren't in a rush. Does that count?

I don't understand why some people think this father-son nudity thing is a big deal. My dad's actually my swimming buddy and we always see each other naked in the showers and change room.

ariesstar89
July 4th, 2010, 09:07 PM
Again, as many has said, it goes with the situation and the circumstances I suppose. I've seen my dad many times growing up and a couple since I've hit puberty. I remember the first time I ever saw him that way was when I was really little when he was teaching me how to take a shower properly, and other times being when he and I would change clothes together if not at our own house, we'd just use the same room.

This may be weird, and if so then ignore me, but I actually use to spy on my dad a little bit when I was young. I had no friends growing up really, and so I would actually sneak around and spy on my dad when he would be in his room after taking showers. But I never did anything or ever fantasized about being with my dad, I think it was just the interest of what a cock was.

MyReply
July 4th, 2010, 09:56 PM
I don't think it is necessary to shy away from nudity at all costs, but there's a difference between not acting like you saw Satan upon catching a glimpse of nude flesh, and being a bit of a flagrant kook. If a father takes his son to the gym, it's fine for them to change in front of each other in the locker room...but a dad and son don't need to blatantly walk around the house naked in front of each other, dick's just-a-swinging either. Privacy and personal space are just as, if not more, important to teach.

I'm reading over some of those old messages and am shocked at the naiveté. A boy doesn't need to see a grown man's dick in order to not be terrified at his body's changing during puberty. I can't recall ever seeing a grown penis as a small child, least of all my father's, and was a-ok when my dick hair started sprouting when I was about 10. I didn't think anything wrong was happening. And I absolutely do *not* approve of fathers "teaching" their sons how to masturbate. That's incestuous, IMO. Talking about it? Eh. Perhaps. Demonstrating? No.

Lewis1
July 8th, 2010, 05:35 PM
Well I belive it should be natural I think nudity among father- son can do a couple of things lol like

1) See how he compares with his dad
2) not feel embarrased about his body
3) not make the child seek out nudity in other (perverted ways) Ie. Staring to long at boys in shower & gym or google naked guys & porn just out of curiosity

4) make the child feel comfortable in his manhood

but like i said all this done naturally meanning not going out of your way to be fully clothed 24/7 or not going out of your way to be nude 24/7 & no towel dancing lol

Lewis1
July 8th, 2010, 05:45 PM
I don't think it is necessary to shy away from nudity at all costs, but there's a difference between not acting like you saw Satan upon catching a glimpse of nude flesh, and being a bit of a flagrant kook. If a father takes his son to the gym, it's fine for them to change in front of each other in the locker room...but a dad and son don't need to blatantly walk around the house naked in front of each other, dick's just-a-swinging either. Privacy and personal space are just as, if not more, important to teach.

I'm reading over some of those old messages and am shocked at the naiveté. A boy doesn't need to see a grown man's dick in order to not be terrified at his body's changing during puberty. I can't recall ever seeing a grown penis as a small child, least of all my father's, and was a-ok when my dick hair started sprouting when I was about 10. I didn't think anything wrong was happening. And I absolutely do *not* approve of fathers "teaching" their sons how to masturbate. That's incestuous, IMO. Talking about it? Eh. Perhaps. Demonstrating? No.

lmao teaching how to masturbate is a bit weird but

u sound uptight

jhwalker
July 8th, 2010, 08:07 PM
I have seem my dad naked only by accident - our family was *never* naked around each other. Even today, my partner and I are completely clothed in our own house and don't even sleep nude :/

mbamike
July 10th, 2010, 08:50 AM
Being nude is as natural as eating. The problem comes in when people try to impose their belief systems on others and condemning the naked body as something evil or bad. This leads to all kinds of body image problems.

As I have stated in numerous postings, I frequent a family-oriented nudist camp. This means entire families are there in the nude, mom, dad and the kids.

Before anyone freaks out, being nude is not about sex or looking for sex. I find it extremely relaxing.

bankside
July 10th, 2010, 08:59 AM
My dad was never part of a nudist camp but of course I saw him naked. Don't families ever go to the pool any more? Wave pool or swimming pool or something?

It is hardly traumatic or even uncomfortable, because you're just there to get changed like everyone else.

Even in Grade 3 my school had us go to a neighbourhood pool for swimming lessons and everyone just changed in the change room with everyone else (it was a big pool) so I had seen all kinds of boys and men from childhood to seniors. It's no big deal.

But hiding away from all that would be a big deal and I think it would affect people's normal development.

paatreides
July 10th, 2010, 10:17 AM
And I absolutely do *not* approve of fathers "teaching" their sons how to masturbate. ....Talking about it? Eh. Perhaps. Demonstrating? No.

Teaching a son how to masturbate should be a father's job. He should not have to rely on insufficient - or incorrect information - from outside sources.

Perhaps talking about it?? I would think a father would want his son(s) to know about masturbation, that it's normal, natural, and healthy.

Bear in mind that a father "teaching" a son how to do it, doesn't mean a "live one-on-one demonstration."

bankside
July 10th, 2010, 10:48 AM
We learned about sex in health class in Grade 3 or 4 or something.

blackbeltninja
July 10th, 2010, 03:25 PM
but a dad and son don't need to blatantly walk around the house naked in front of each other, dick's just-a-swinging either. Privacy and personal space are just as, if not more, important to teach.

So what are you saying, exactly? Fine if in a public place, like a locker room, but at home nobody should walk from bathroom to bedroom unless they're wrapped in a towel? I'm not a fan of hanging about the house naked, but I do the bathroom-bedroom run without a towel most days and that's not about to change.


I'm reading over some of those old messages and am shocked at the naiveté. A boy doesn't need to see a grown man's dick in order to not be terrified at his body's changing during puberty.

Well, it took me by surprise. I had no idea what was going to happen, or when. While I didn't die or anything, I do think a little heads up from someone would have been nice. I suppose my mom was waiting for me to ask her rather than just tell me, but instead I found out the old fashioned way - from some kid at school, who smuggled in some literature* from home for us to look at.

-d-
*The monthly magazine kind

Storybook_Man
July 11th, 2010, 05:37 PM
my father never told me anything at all. I learned all about sex from his porn videos that I found in his room. in health class while I was in school then all I learned about was STD's..

clicker
July 11th, 2010, 06:38 PM
Teaching a son how to masturbate should be a father's job. He should not have to rely on insufficient - or incorrect information - from outside sources.

Perhaps talking about it?? I would think a father would want his son(s) to know about masturbation, that it's normal, natural, and healthy.

Bear in mind that a father "teaching" a son how to do it, doesn't mean a "live one-on-one demonstration."

Amen, brother! That's good,and so true.

MyReply
July 13th, 2010, 01:48 AM
Teaching a son how to masturbate should be a father's job. He should not have to rely on insufficient - or incorrect information - from outside sources.

Perhaps talking about it?? I would think a father would want his son(s) to know about masturbation, that it's normal, natural, and healthy.

Bear in mind that a father "teaching" a son how to do it, doesn't mean a "live one-on-one demonstration."

Yes, perhaps. Masturbation isn't exactly rocket science. Boys generally discover how to do it themselves, and don't need dear old dad "teaching" them how to grip the shaft or recommending what kind of lotion to use. Certain discoveries should be left up to the individual themselves. If a father has any role in this, it should generally begin and end at reassuring junior that it is something that is a common practice.

MyReply
July 13th, 2010, 02:03 AM
So what are you saying, exactly?I think I was pretty clear when I said that it's not necessary to shy away from nudity at all costs, but flagrantly exposing oneself around other people is tacky, tactless and inappropriate IMO.


Fine if in a public place, like a locker room, but at home nobody should walk from bathroom to bedroom unless they're wrapped in a towel? I'm not a fan of hanging about the house naked, but I do the bathroom-bedroom run without a towel most days and that's not about to change.As if I'm trying to dictate what's going on in your house. Look, if you want to leave your doors, shades and windows open when you're naked, then so be it. I don't care what you do. A general question was posed, and I gave my take on it.

If I went swimming with my son, and the community shower was an open one with multiple shower heads...then fine, we'll both get naked and wash up. But if we're at home, then the bathroom and bedroom doors are to be closed when someone is in there naked...to me that's just basic decency. There is a such thing as modesty and there is value in it.


Well, it took me by surprise. I had no idea what was going to happen, or when. While I didn't die or anything, I do think a little heads up from someone would have been nice.Well, okay. That's you. I, myself, didn't need a "heads up" in the form of having seen a grown mans naked penis in order to not think that something terrible, or unnervingly bizarre, was happening as I personally matured. My guess is that very few 12 year old boys get terrified and think something is wrong when they see their pubes grow in, or dicks get bigger. Some things are just sensical.

paatreides
July 13th, 2010, 08:56 AM
Yes, perhaps. Masturbation isn't exactly rocket science. Boys generally discover how to do it themselves, and don't need dear old dad "teaching" them how to grip the shaft or recommending what kind of lotion to use. Certain discoveries should be left up to the individual themselves. If a father has any role in this, it should generally begin and end at reassuring junior that it is something that is a common practice.

So, you think it's perfectly fine for a young boy entering puberty to struggle through on his own, eh? And learn all kinds of untruth's from kids on the street? Or rely on the teacher in the classroom for only half the necessary information?

No, it's certainly not rocket science. But, the way things like this are "ignored" by parents - especially fathers - is awful.

Perhaps girls should be left alone to learn about their bodies and sexual behavior as well? Let them learn things on the street, from girlfriends, or rely on the school system.

No. These things should be the responsibility of the parent. You brought this life into the world, you own the responsibility of thier education.

I got nothing from my father. He wouldn't even say the word "penis" for God's sake. And, sure I learned about j/o and sex from my brother, kids on the playground and the very cloaked information that was delivered in "Health" class - in one single hour-long class mind you!! - and you know what? I survived, sure; but we didn't know jack-shit about anything.

Fathers should be talking frankly to thier sons about what to expect from their changing bodies, and that talk includes erections, wet dreams (especially the first one that can scare a kid) and masturbation. Education only arms them for a better life; because ignorance is not bliss.

Any idea at all what kind of physical damage can be caused to an erect penis - simply because a kid didn't quite know how to deal with it to relieve it? Trust me, some of it ain't pretty.

mrjaxxx
July 14th, 2010, 05:47 PM
It really just depends on the situation... and the reason they are naked at the same time in the same place lol

blackbeltninja
July 15th, 2010, 05:06 AM
If I went swimming with my son, and the community shower was an open one with multiple shower heads...then fine, we'll both get naked and wash up. But if we're at home, then the bathroom and bedroom doors are to be closed when someone is in there naked...to me that's just basic decency. There is a such thing as modesty and there is value in it.

Well, I don't see much difference in showering at home or showering in a public environment. As a result, I do the same things in both places. It seems odd to me to insist on keeping the bathroom door closed at home but being quite happy to forego the modesty in public (assuming you have some level of control in public; depending on your environment, this may or may not happen - cubicle showers vs gang showers etc).


Well, okay. That's you. I, myself, didn't need a "heads up" in the form of having seen a grown mans naked penis in order to not think that something terrible, or unnervingly bizarre, was happening as I personally matured. My guess is that very few 12 year old boys get terrified and think something is wrong when they see their pubes grow in, or dicks get bigger. Some things are just sensical.

Except that sensical isn't a word.

Anyway, the fact that you were prepared for your maturation suggests to me that at some point or other you'd seen a naked older guy before, either in person or in a book or on tv, and you knew what to expect. If you find a kid who hasn't seen and doesn't know what to expect, I think he'd be a little unnerved and surprised.

Next you're going to tell me that no kid ever in the history of ever has been surprised or distressed by his first wet dream if he didn't know about them at first, and then I'm going to call bullshit.

-d-

paatreides
July 15th, 2010, 09:48 AM
Next you're going to tell me that no kid ever in the history of ever has been surprised or distressed by his first wet dream if he didn't know about them at first, and then I'm going to call bullshit.

-d-

Ho, brother! did you just hit the proverbial nail on the head... With knowing nothing about his body and what's happening to it, a kid wakes up in the middle of ejaculating, breathing hard, his body in spasms, wet "stuff" all over his PJ's (or whatever) and panics!! What's happening, what's wrong???

And then, is probably too scared or embarrassed to ask his dad (never even consider asking mom!) about this horrible illness "down there."

But, I'll tell you what - kids are thirsty for information... And, unfortunately, what they don't know can kill them!

blackbeltninja
July 18th, 2010, 01:01 PM
^Indeed. I never asked my mom anything about any of that stuff!

-d-

bestoraluk
February 16th, 2011, 06:30 PM
I would love to suck my dads uncut cock. Or i would power through the butt fuck. Anything to make my dad happy. I often think about me sucking my dad off. Or jacking him off. Anyone know what i mean?

Me and my Dad had one of the healthiest relationships that I can imagine and I love him very dearly. Reading these posts not everyone is going to understand the depth of our enjoying each others naked bodies. There was never ever any type of collusion or force between us and I resent the use of the term abuse. My Dad came from an eastern block country where our relationship is totally normal. We need to understand that not everyone lives by the same rules.

For what it is worth, and I daresay that this will cause some outrage, I agree with your sentiments entirely. My Dad and I had a very deep and meaningful relationship that went to places most don't go to. I would like to talk to you further johnbear but as I am new to this site I am not sure if it is the right place. Please feel free to mail me direct if that is the more accepted way of talking about this subject.

innocentbychoice
February 16th, 2011, 10:46 PM
Me and my Dad had one of the healthiest relationships that I can imagine and I love him very dearly. Reading these posts not everyone is going to understand the depth of our enjoying each others naked bodies. There was never ever any type of collusion or force between us and I resent the use of the term abuse. My Dad came from an eastern block country where our relationship is totally normal. We need to understand that not everyone lives by the same rules.

For what it is worth, and I daresay that this will cause some outrage, I agree with your sentiments entirely. My Dad and I had a very deep and meaningful relationship that went to places most don't go to. I would like to talk to you further johnbear but as I am new to this site I am not sure if it is the right place. Please feel free to mail me direct if that is the more accepted way of talking about this subject.

I wanna hear some more.

latenight11
February 19th, 2011, 01:24 PM
I completely understand johnbear. I do too.

salinger2
February 19th, 2011, 10:34 PM
I didn't grow up with my dad so my first hand experience is non-existent. My best friends dad was our wrestling coach and we thought nothing of being naked and showering in front of him. He'd sometimes work out with us at the gym after school and we would all shower. Never a big deal.

Anything sexual though wouldve freaked me out and kept me in my singlet for sure.

Joe06877
February 20th, 2011, 09:33 AM
I saw my dad totally nude only once. That one time was sheerly by accident when I walked in on him shaving in the nude at the bathroom sink. We had a very small house with only one bathroom. I was probably not more than 10 or 11 years old, but I will never forget how long his soft cut cock was.

larryng
February 20th, 2011, 09:49 AM
there are two models doing side by side jerkoffs solo's, in straightcollegemen. com website that claim to be father son.

I found it to be somewhat disturbing.

netgayone
February 24th, 2011, 05:34 PM
i know it;s an old post but i had to comment. Most of you blame North American culture for being conservative but most of Western culture is. As a Greek I have to tell you that most of us were growing up thinking that nudity is wrong. Entering the bathroom with dad or mom being naked inside would result in a big scream and a loud "get out".
The only cool thing that my dad did was to let me and brother when we were really young to take a look at his penis cause at some point we got curious for "daddy's pipi" and the pediatrician said it was OK for one time. We both don't even remember this.
The truth is that Mediterranean countries used to be more free with nudity but as the years passed we became more and more conservative and I blame church to have played a big part in this.
These days though, things are changing, More and more people enjoy nudism and you even see families naked on the beach and young Greek parents are totally cool with nudity. Not that you will see parents naked around the house, but it not a big deal if you see your dad naked.
I have a close friend, and all of her family go to the beach naked. Her parents, her sister, nephews and her husband and kids. 3 generations of nudity and not once, sex was ever mentioned or implied.
People who think nudity means sex, see the matter the wrong way.
A human body is a terrible thing to hide, unless is freezing cold of course

Ironman092164
February 24th, 2011, 11:51 PM
I don't see father / son nudity as being a problem as long as they are both comfortable with it. Now if you're talking sexual situations, that's another story and weird.

Joe06877
February 25th, 2011, 06:02 AM
Teaching a son how to masturbate should be a father's job. He should not have to rely on insufficient - or incorrect information - from outside sources.

Perhaps talking about it?? I would think a father would want his son(s) to know about masturbation, that it's normal, natural, and healthy.

Bear in mind that a father "teaching" a son how to do it, doesn't mean a "live one-on-one demonstration."

I know I am old, but I must be from a REALLY different generation. No one had to teach me how to masturbate.

bestoraluk10
March 21st, 2013, 05:34 PM
Hi I know that I'm late coming to this site and the abovepost. I honestly don't know what the furore is I can't see anything wrong with this posting, being nude or parents showing kids how to masturbate. Surely this is one of the most sensitive and uninhibited thoughts to appear on this or any site. Just my viewpoint and opinion regarding this posting.

chris90048
March 21st, 2013, 07:43 PM
I've been a long-time lurker here but I figured I should finally contribute by sharing my story. I have never been that comfortable with nudity with my biological dad. He's been a great dad and we are close but it just wasn't natural when we saw each other naked a couple of times. The first time I saw him naked as a teenager (15 yo), we were changing at a public locker room at the beach and I remember thinking that we don't even look like father and son down there. He is cut and I'm uncut. My penis was almost as big as his already at that age and was a lot lighter than his penis' skin. So for some reason it became unnatural being naked around each other from then on.

Then my parents got a divorce about 3 years ago and my mom re-married to her long-time friend and a guy who was sort of a very distant uncle to me. He even gave my mom advice on how to deal with a foreskin infection I had when I was 8 because he is uncut himself. I became very close to my step dad quickly and ended up loving him like my dad. The first time I saw my step dad naked, I noticed that his cock was a lot like mine. It was uncut, same color just a couple inches bigger and thicker. At that point, I remember thinking that my step dad was a lot more like me than my dad physically and that made it much more easier for me to be naked around my step dad and vice versa more so than with my own dad.

And the last time we went to a public changing room all together as an entire family, I chose to share a changing room with my step dad and not with my dad. I guess my point is that I am very close to both and love them both but I'm more comfortable with the one who I feel is more naturally like me.

Str8Top14701
March 25th, 2013, 08:54 AM
I don't know if it's on any sites, but Dane Cook has a great bit about seeing his dad naked when he was a young kid and his dad's reaction.

thesantos
March 25th, 2013, 04:37 PM
I agree with the people that question the circumstances.

If it's just son and dad naked (getting ready in the bathroom, swimming, changing). I consider that normal.

Anything sexual would be out of MY norm, despite my role play fantasies.

I hope all parents are raising stable children regardless of clothing.

actorboy
March 26th, 2013, 02:23 PM
When I was in grade 12 my dad found my lube in my drawer when he was putting my laundry away and talked to me that night reassuring me it was normal and such. He also told me to not worry about keeping it secret because he did it too (it was only me and him who lived there). So, probably two months later I walked into his room to ask him something and caught him rubbing one out. All I said was "my bad" or something like that but then he asked if I wanted to join cuz he was watching a "good porno". I said sure and we just sat beside each other wanking and didnt touch each other or anything. We did it about 5 times after that but now that Im away at college we dont. It was a good experience and probably made us closer.

LeicsDom
March 26th, 2013, 06:10 PM
Of course that would be wrong! You wouldn't want a straight woman to be naked in the presence of her underage son, would you?


I do hope you are being sarcastic :)

LeicsDom
March 26th, 2013, 06:12 PM
For those of you who think it's a good thing for dad and son to be nude together (in proper circumstances, etc.), does your opinion change when you're talking about a gay dad and an underage son. For me, that would never be a sexual situation, but I could see others saying that I, a gay man, should never be nude with my son.

The default SHOULD be that it is OK but, unfortunately, these days many will automatically assume the wrong thing

Storybook_Man
March 27th, 2013, 12:16 PM
When I was in grade 12 my dad found my lube in my drawer when he was putting my laundry away and talked to me that night reassuring me it was normal and such. He also told me to not worry about keeping it secret because he did it too (it was only me and him who lived there). So, probably two months later I walked into his room to ask him something and caught him rubbing one out. All I said was "my bad" or something like that but then he asked if I wanted to join cuz he was watching a "good porno". I said sure and we just sat beside each other wanking and didnt touch each other or anything. We did it about 5 times after that but now that Im away at college we dont. It was a good experience and probably made us closer.

This is what I miss about bonding with my father. Yes people are probably saying EEK. But this is a close bond that I never had with my own.

blackbeltninja
March 29th, 2013, 02:59 PM
This is what I miss about bonding with my father. Yes people are probably saying EEK. But this is a close bond that I never had with my own.

Hmmm.

I don't think I want to have a sex-orientated bond with my parents. In fact, I find it deeply disturbing that anyone would want such a thing with theirs. Telling your kids that masturbation is normal - sure. Joining in with them - creepy.

-d-

bankside
March 29th, 2013, 05:28 PM
Hmmm.

I don't think I want to have a sex-orientated bond with my parents. In fact, I find it deeply disturbing that anyone would want such a thing with theirs. Telling your kids that masturbation is normal - sure. Joining in with them - creepy.

-d-

Yup.
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Storybook_Man
March 31st, 2013, 08:31 PM
Hmmm.

I don't think I want to have a sex-orientated bond with my parents. In fact, I find it deeply disturbing that anyone would want such a thing with theirs. Telling your kids that masturbation is normal - sure. Joining in with them - creepy.

-d-

Yes it is creepy, not going to deny that lol. But what I really meant was a close bond, you can't get closer then jerking off together, well other then having all out sex lol..

dougmc92
April 1st, 2013, 04:11 AM
maybe this should be moved to the fetish forum......

Georgiadude
April 2nd, 2013, 08:47 PM
I go to a Korean sauna here in Atlanta about once a week. There's a separate mens-womens area and a common area. In the common area you have to wear these uniforms they give you. In the mens-womens locker area are the steam room and hot tubs. You have to be nude in the locker steam room area. There are a lot of families that go there. Especially Eastern European and Asians. The nudity is absolutely not an issue. It's a like a big social event for them. There's nothing sexual about it. When I first started going to the sauna I was a little uncomfortable being nude around younger kids but I soon realized it wasn't an issue for them. They were used to it. It's just not something us Americans tend to do.

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simply2low
June 16th, 2013, 11:11 PM
My dad used to sleep naked and sometimes I would walk from my bedroom to the bathroom and see his dick..always curious I would look when I walked by. Sometime hard and mostly not. But we had a hole i could see in the bathroom from the attic....so I seen him jerk off and it made me wonder what that felt like and did it as well. Seen mom masturbate as well. Loved that hole! miss it so much...lol My family seemed to do it alot...lol

cynicus
June 17th, 2013, 10:35 AM
I don't know if anyone has mentioned it, but there may be a religious taboo here that most of us probably were raised with even if we did not realize its source.

The sons of Noah who went forth from the ark were Shem, Ham, and Japheth. Ham was the father of Canaan. These three were the sons of Noah; and from these the whole earth was peopled. Noah was the first tiller of the soil. He planted a vineyard; and he drank of the wine, and became drunk, and lay uncovered in his tent. And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brothers outside.Then Shem and Japheth took a garment, laid it upon both their shoulders, and walked backward and covered the nakedness of their father; their faces were turned away, and they did not see their father's nakedness. When Noah awoke from his wine and knew what his youngest son had done to him, he said, "Cursed be Canaan; a slave of slaves shall he be to his brothers." He also said, "Blessed by the LORD my God be Shem; and let Canaan be his slave. God enlarge Japheth, and let him dwell in the tents of Shem; and let Canaan be his slave." After the flood Noah lived three hundred and fifty years. All the days of Noah were nine hundred and fifty years; and he died. (Genesis 9:18-29)

blackbeltninja
June 17th, 2013, 02:00 PM
^Gosh, unexpected - cursing your kid because you got pissed on your own wine and fell asleep with your cock out and he saw.

What would he have done if Ham had failed maths at school, or kicked a football through a window - crucified him?

-d-

dougmc92
June 17th, 2013, 02:44 PM
yes- that Bible quote was the religious justification for slavery- used in trials even up through the Civil Rights era- truly sad!!!!!

binudistdad
June 25th, 2013, 05:00 AM
As an aside, wouldn't puberty completely freak you out if you had never seen your father naked? I mean, where's all this hair coming from?

My parents were both textiles, never saw my dad naked in his life.
At 11 I had to start showering naked after gym at school, and that was when I realised I enjoyed nudity. (This was over 40 yrs ago, the age of hitting puberty was higher, I don't recall any of my class mates having pubes.)
From then on I used to go swimming in the local public pool alone, and instead of going into a cubicle would go in the open area and see the guys there. This was pre-puberty, and yes, the first sight of pubic hair was 'wtf?' (or the equivalent at the time was probably 'wth?' (what the heck?)
I hate to think what I'd have thought if I hadn't had that experience then when my puberty did (eventually) come.